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  • Wow, another acident with russians? Maybe they should start a series of seminars on how not to have acidents... step 1: don't invade...

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    • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

      As far as those 100,000 North Korean are concerned, I don't think it's quite as simple as "Ok now go be a bullet sponge". I mean, first you have to get them from North Korea to eastern Ukraine and it's a 10,000+ km train ride from Pyongyang to Moscow.
      Serious question: does NK even have 100.000 troops fit for duty they can just send off country? Considering the state of the country, specially with the low-level famines they have, the spread of covid there, and the need to keep an army at the SK/NK border, plus internal security...

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      • This thing about 100,000 NK troops to Ukraine, at this point, we might as well talk about the impact that the F-35s that might be delivered to Ukraine are going to have.
        "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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        • Reports in Russian media of black smoke clouds coming from a naval airbase at Hvardiiske near Simferopol. Will be interesting to see the satellite photos that emerge in the coming hours/days.

          Lots of stuff getting lit up in Crimea, more and more I'm thinking Ukraine has ATACMS.
          "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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          • It ain't ATACMS nor any other American munitions, Too damned easy for the Russians to prove American made munitions hitting Russian soil.
            Chimo

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            • Converted ukranian cruise/ASM missiles? Drones? Special forces on a spree?

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              • SF would be my guess. It's a lot easier than missiles given how lax Russian security is.
                Chimo

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                • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  SF would be my guess. It's a lot easier than missiles given how lax Russian security is.
                  And being able to blend in, in every single way possible, can't hurt one iota.
                  "Donald Trump is the first seditious president in our history. He decided he would not abide by the election, the duly constituted, free election of Joe Biden as the president of the United States, and staged a coup to keep Biden from taking office." ~ Carl Bernstein

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                  • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    It ain't ATACMS nor any other American munitions, Too damned easy for the Russians to prove American made munitions hitting Russian soil.
                    We don't recognize Crimea as Russian soil.

                    "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                    • Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                      We don't recognize Crimea as Russian soil.
                      But we do recognize it as a Russian strategic asset.
                      Chimo

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                      • And I don't get how Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Mongolia has a better claim to Crimea than Keiv.
                        Chimo

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                        • The United States recognizes Crimea as Ukrainian territory.
                          "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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                          • And I don't get how Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Mongolia has a better claim to Crimea than Keiv.
                            this is sort of like arguing that Quebec is part of France. Crimea became a part of Ukraine because the USSR disintegrated and Crimea didn't have the strength to be its own republic.

                            Then Russia seized Crimea when Ukraine was weak.

                            Russia has even less claim to Crimea than Ukraine does, because if you use the Soviet Union political framework for legitimacy (which I don't), the Ukraine SFSR held Crimea longer than the Russian SFSR.

                            in any case it's all down to bullets and not ballots now....and I fully hope that Ukraine kicks the crap out of Russia and takes Crimea, because that would be a very good lesson for other autocrats seeking territorial aggrandizement with military force.
                            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                            • The United States recognizes Crimea as Ukrainian territory.
                              US recognition is nice but not everything. :looks at Taiwan:.
                              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                              • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                                this is sort of like arguing that Quebec is part of France. Crimea became a part of Ukraine because the USSR disintegrated and Crimea didn't have the strength to be its own republic.

                                Then Russia seized Crimea when Ukraine was weak.

                                Russia has even less claim to Crimea than Ukraine does, because if you use the Soviet Union political framework for legitimacy (which I don't), the Ukraine SFSR held Crimea longer than the Russian SFSR.
                                You're making the argument for me. The Russians took Crimea from the Ottomans just like we took Quebec from France. And sorry, it was the Russian Empire, ie Russia, not the Ukrainians nor the Kevian Empire who kicked the Ottomans from Crimea.

                                Originally posted by astralis View Post
                                in any case it's all down to bullets and not ballots now....and I fully hope that Ukraine kicks the crap out of Russia and takes Crimea, because that would be a very good lesson for other autocrats seeking territorial aggrandizement with military force.
                                Not going to happen. The population there is very anti-Keiv.

                                Chimo

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