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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The simple fact that a few Chinese AK47s can scare off PH LEO speaks volumes about just how useless the PH military is.
    This is the part i'm wondering about. Are they scared or told to stand down ?

    My memory is hazy but there was a IISS talk a few years back where one of the China watchers mentioned PH pushed back quite a bit in the noughts against Chinese harassment. Some thing like nineteen times and then China decided to push harder.

    PH idea of claiming a rock ? Run a ship aground on it.

    These guys are capable but not motivated these days.
    Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Jul 19,, 18:17.

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    • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
      This is the part i'm wondering about. Are they scared or told to stand down ?
      The HNIC is Duterte. He's the one who said the Chinese can now fish in the PH EEZ.

      Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
      These guys are capable but not motivated these days.
      The militia is the trip wire. The Chinese can always up the ante, the PH cannot.

      You want to knwo Duterte's motivation? He wants to appear the big man telling the Americans to fuck off when he knows he absolutely zero say in the matter. If the Americans and the Chinese do goto war in the PH Seas, then the Americans would do so to protect their LOCs, their sea trade routes. It has nothing to do with protecting PH EEZ but American trade. He wants to show to his people that he has a veto over American military actions in the PH Seas when he absolutely does not.

      And quite frankly, the Americans do not need PH's OK. Freedom of Navigation is a well entrenched right, EEZ or no EEZ. Neither the PH or the Chinese have any legal right to prevent FNOPs in the PH Seas. By extension, neither the PH nor the Chinese can stop the Americans from legally enforcing FNOPs with military action.

      Duterte is looking smaller and smaller.
      Chimo

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      • Let me get this straight, A FORMER diplomat PUSHING FOR STRONG ANTI-CHINESE ACTIONS met with US diplomat and you think that means the US is pushing for anti-China actions?
        This is the same ex government official who filed a complaint against X Jinping in the ICC March this year, he did this despite being out of office since 2016! Meanwhile the meeting with US officials also happened this year. So you are correct in the sense that he is looking for a job. A Demolition Job to sabotage PH-China relations. The United States likes to whine about other countries interfering with their domestic politics, but they brazenly do the exact same thing to other countries. Pathetic!

        We should bomb Philippines and be done with it. Since we're warmongers, there shouldn't be any qualms over it. Spratly islands come next. Then Scarborough Shoal. The list continues.
        I'd love to see you try LOL! This will force the Philippines to completely cut its ties with the United Snakes! And this is a positive thing.

        one of the China watchers mentioned PH pushed back quite a bit in the noughts against Chinese harassment. Some thing like nineteen times and then China decided to push harder.
        This probably happened during Benigno Aquino's time (2010-2016, Do not be confused with the his mother Cory Aquino's term as PH president in 1986-1992). The Aquinos are a well known American political puppet, the younger Aquino even had an article in TIME magazine way back early in 2010 depicting him as PH president even BEFORE the elections started. Despite American support for them however, their corrupt and inefficient handling of both domestic and foreign issues made them extremely unpopular, they have also been viewed as a politician for the Rich and Wealthy. As you can clearly see, despite having a pro US President in the Philippines, the country has continued to be neglected by the Americans. Where is the massive infrastructure grant from the United States during Aquino's term? Why didn't they paid the Philippines premium amount to lease bases in Subic and Clark? Why didn't they gave the PH Billions of dollars to start building bases too in the SCS? The answer is simple. America is CHEAP.

        PH idea of claiming a rock ? Run a ship aground on it.
        This happened in the 90s, where was the US to grant the PH Billions of dollars to fund the construction of bases in the SCS? Is this the kind of Reliable Ally most pro US svckups are talking about here?

        Duterte is looking smaller and smaller.
        Thats a wishful thinking on your part LOL. I'd say Duterte is the progenitor that will inspire future leaders to stand up and tell the United States to Fuck Off right in their face. If the United States dares to retaliate, then America will be Exposed as the Real Evil Empire. This is a Win-Win-Win situation for the entire planet. You want me to stop? Give me $100,000 and increase Filipino immigration into the United States.

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        • Rodrigo Duterte thought he had an understanding with Beijing, then came the Reed Bank collision

          The Filipinos are dead against the Chinese in their waters.
          Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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          • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            Richard Heydarian is one example of a 5th columnist stooge who is willing to work for Washington's propaganda department at the expense of his country's dignity. He is an American agent and so it is only normal for him to write nonsense articles about Duterte and his normalization policies concerning China.

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            • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
              The HNIC is Duterte. He's the one who said the Chinese can now fish in the PH EEZ.
              The PH opposition does not agree. Whether they can do anything about it is to be seen.

              Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
              The militia is the trip wire. The Chinese can always up the ante, the PH cannot.
              US says they will defend. Question is under what circumstances.

              You want to knwo Duterte's motivation? He wants to appear the big man telling the Americans to fuck off when he knows he absolutely zero say in the matter. If the Americans and the Chinese do goto war in the PH Seas, then the Americans would do so to protect their LOCs, their sea trade routes. It has nothing to do with protecting PH EEZ but American trade. He wants to show to his people that he has a veto over American military actions in the PH Seas when he absolutely does not.

              And quite frankly, the Americans do not need PH's OK. Freedom of Navigation is a well entrenched right, EEZ or no EEZ. Neither the PH or the Chinese have any legal right to prevent FNOPs in the PH Seas. By extension, neither the PH nor the Chinese can stop the Americans from legally enforcing FNOPs with military action.

              Duterte is looking smaller and smaller.
              That's why it makes no sense. What is his angle here. He wants to get investments from China, yet allows them into the EEZ AND wants to tell the Americans to get lost. CCP is laughing all the way to the bank.

              The longer this continues the more he will look like a dupe to his own people.

              What is the worst that can happen here. He allows a Chinese naval base in PH ? maybe that is premature right now.

              Non-involvement of PH in the event of any conflict. That would work. If China can squeeze the same out of the Viets then their path to the Malacca strait is unhindered. They will have to work on the Indonesians next. That won't be so easy.
              Last edited by Double Edge; 08 Jul 19,, 22:26.

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              • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                The Reed Bank incident, which ironically took place on June 9, Philippine-China Friendship Day, came just weeks after Duterte’s visit to Beijing in April.
                You see the pattern here. Like when Xi popped over and his troops started something at the border.

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                • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                  Richard Heydarian is one example of a 5th columnist stooge who is willing to work for Washington's propaganda department at the expense of his country's dignity. He is an American agent and so it is only normal for him to write nonsense articles about Duterte and his normalization policies concerning China.
                  He quotes your opposition. Are they also 5th columnists ?

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                  • He quotes your opposition. Are they also 5th columnists ?
                    They are all at the same Pro-American band wagon. the PH has been America's Ally for 70+ years, what GOOD did it do to the PH? Nothing! The Philippines has been neglected and left to rot by the Americans while they invested generously to Europe and other Asian allies.

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                    • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                      The Philippines has been neglected and left to rot by the Americans while they invested generously to Europe and other Asian allies.
                      This ain't handout. If you're looking for a handout, goto the UN. These are investments and investors look for Return of Investment. Europe and other Asian allies bent backwards to attract investments and investors sees a fast ROI.

                      Get your house in order and tell Duterte to shut the hell up if he wants to attact investments. As of right now, I see absolutely zero or very low and very slow return on any investment.
                      Chimo

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        That's why it makes no sense. What is his angle here. He wants to get investments from China, yet allows them into the EEZ AND wants to tell the Americans to get lost. CCP is laughing all the way to the bank.
                        Duterte never told the Americans to get lost. Everything he says is nonsenical. He will not allow the US to use the PH as an excuse to goto war with China. Yeah, that's fine but the US never cared about permission from PH. If the Chinese threatens American LOCs, bombs will drop and no one will care what Manila would say.

                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        The longer this continues the more he will look like a dupe to his own people.
                        Don't know about that. He has his own base. But he does look stupid amongst other world powers.

                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        What is the worst that can happen here. He allows a Chinese naval base in PH ? maybe that is premature right now.
                        He will have to end the US defence pact first and I doubt China is capable to come to PH's aide against Indonesia.

                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        Non-involvement of PH in the event of any conflict. That would work.
                        That's the case now. The PH ain't got squat.
                        Chimo

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                        • I see absolutely zero or very low and very slow return on any investment.
                          Except your "Views" ran counter to what Real economic experts say about the Superiority of the Philippine economy

                          Philippines seen attracting more foreign funds on growth prospects

                          The longer this continues the more he will look like a dupe to his own people.
                          Lol his popularity is continuing its rise.

                          Net satisfaction rate of Duterte highest at +68

                          I doubt China is capable to come to PH's aide against Indonesia.
                          I'd love to see a conflict flare up between Ph and Indonesia. This will force the US to start a war against Indonesia and hopefully will lead to Indonesia's breakup into tiny island statelets
                          Last edited by Pnoy; 09 Jul 19,, 02:17.

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                          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            You see the pattern here. Like when Xi popped over and his troops started something at the border.
                            Yeah. Thing is, some Filipino fools are celebrating it while sitting 1000s of miles away in Canada.
                            Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                            • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                              Except your "Views" ran counter to what Real economic experts say about the Superiority of the Philippine economy
                              The PH still rank dead last in the region for FDI and it ain't moving up the ladder. Indonesia and Vietnam are better places to invest my money.

                              Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                              'd love to see a conflict flare up between Ph and Indonesia.
                              What? You want to kick the US out and now you want them to fight your war for you? Grow the fuck up.
                              Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 09 Jul 19,, 07:57.
                              Chimo

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                              • Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
                                They are all at the same Pro-American band wagon.
                                Opposition's job is to oppose on any and every pretext. There are times to ignore them and times to listen. I'm not convinced
                                this is the former of the two.

                                the PH has been America's Ally for 70+ years, what GOOD did it do to the PH? Nothing! The Philippines has been neglected and left to rot by the Americans while they invested generously to Europe and other Asian allies.
                                How friendly were PH policies for investment. Idea is to attract investment from all over the world not only US. How market friendly.

                                Labour laws and such, historically. What was the political lay of the land.

                                If you have mainly populist & leftist pols in office doling out handouts then investment will be less.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 09 Jul 19,, 09:26.

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