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  • Pnoy
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    Until you do so i will phrase my replies as if you are not from the PH
    I already spoke some Tagalog words before but apparently they got deleted, is it a deliberate attempt to hide my proof as being an authentic pinoy? Gusto mo tagalugin pa ulet kita?

    US does not take a position on disputed territories.
    Mattis: US will defend Japanese islands claimed by China
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/asia/...sit/index.html

    I am starting to get nauseated by your constant attempt to lie. At least have the dignity to speak honestly.

    I am quoting what PH press says
    PH private media loves to squeal out load and blow incidents out of proportion for increased publicity and profit, they learn from the best leaders of fake news media like CNN etc.

    You believe Duterte when he says China will start a war. WHY ?
    We all know the true nature of your ‘Inquiry’. you disguise your question as some kind of innocent interest, but in reality your true purpose is to produce an Inflammatory response to the current boat incident between PH and China. Let me clear things out for you. Your inflammatory Bait question will never accomplish its goals. There will be no escalation of conflict between PH and China. It will stay that way for as long as Duterte is in power. If you and the west disapprove of this, then Assassinate Duterte. But such action will expose the real evil nature of warmongerers like America so this will back fire on them Big time.

    We don't know what your nationality is and where you are located. All have a bearing on what are saying here and your arrival time was curious too, just when Duterte gets into trouble
    I already stated that I am a Pinoy. My location however is none of anyone’s business. Besides, if you pay enough attention, you’d already have an idea where BC is.

    About Duterte, he is always caught in trouble because of his unfiltered remarks about almost anything. His name and reputation has been under attack before he even ran for president. But his charismatic personality made him very popular among the average voters and so he was able to win the presidency without any significant competition.

    What are PH investment policies like ?
    PH economy would have been a great success if it wasn’t for American meddling and back stabbing and withholding of compensation funds that they owe to the Filipino people.

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  • Oracle
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    Pnoy, complaining on the introduction thread does not make for a good introduction. Everybody introduces themselves here. It's not an exception. It's not about stalking. No one is asking you to post your girlfriend's nudes here. When posters request you for an introduction nicely, it's considered good manners to oblige and comply. You can check how new members have introduced themselves over here, and introduce yourself. A smart introduction without revealing too much is what we look for in here. Where are you from? What you do? Maybe your education. What shapes your opinions? Etcetera.

    Jumping to debate in threads is a strict no-no without a proper introduction.
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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
    You are not even Filipino and you act as if you know more than me?
    Unless you introduce yourself we don't know who you are : )

    Until you do so i will phrase my replies as if you are not from the PH

    For instance, the Island of Palawan is still under Philippine sovereignty. the Spratlys islets in the SCS are disputed territories, even the US doesn't recognize them as part of the Philippines, otherwise Chinese incursions would have activated the mutual defense treaty with the US, which is pretty much useless since the Americans are reluctant to observe their own part of the deal in the first place for not officially recognizing islets in the SCS as official Philippine territory.
    US does not take a position on disputed territories. Otherwise there will be no end to it. Their side of the deal only kicks in when you are threatened. Bolton has shown he is up for it.

    People like you and other foreign warmongers are pushing for the Philippines to escalate the boat incident to make relations between PH and CN become hostile. You still dont understand dont you? Duterte doesn't want to make the incident spiral down any further. Don't you get that??
    I am quoting what PH press says and what PH constitution says. Right now.


    What makes you so sure they will not? Our opinions doesn't matter anyway. what is important is that the Philippines will NOT engage in any conflict with China to please you or others who wants to use the Philippines as a tool to fight China on their behalf.
    Not for me to prove negatives. For you to back up your assertions. You believe Duterte when he says China will start a war. WHY ?

    What i find very weird is China kicks PH around and when people question Duterte's policies you blame those people for being war mongers. You have things back to front.


    I already made a proper intro, it is actually long compared to the average introductions made by other users. Are you one of those creeps who likes to stalk people on Facebook? trying to find out their work, location, etc? Isn't forums meant to let people share their opinions while remaining anonymous? Otherwise perhaps we should be using our real names as our username and require people to present a valid ID when registering for an account.
    No, you have not, there is some waffle but nothing more.

    We don't know what your nationality is and where you are located. All have a bearing on what are saying here and your arrival time was curious too, just when Duterte gets into trouble. Co-incidence ?

    This is what the Philippines get for being an American ally for 75+ years. The US helped Japan and South Korea to become economically strong, on the other hand, completely neglected the Philippines despite being an ally for a far longer time.
    What are PH investment policies like ?

    US nuked Japan, as a result of the Korean war the country got partitioned and was wasted. Would you say PH was in the same state after WW2 ?

    SK in 1960 was poorer than Pakistan, hard to believe these days.
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  • Pnoy
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    How do you know ?
    You are not even Filipino and you act as if you know more than me? For instance, the Island of Palawan is still under Philippine sovereignty. the Spratlys islets in the SCS are disputed territories, even the US doesn't recognize them as part of the Philippines, otherwise Chinese incursions would have activated the mutual defense treaty with the US, which is pretty much useless since the Americans are reluctant to observe their own part of the deal in the first place for not officially recognizing islets in the SCS as official Philippine territory.

    Who is playing games here. Who is sinking your boats. Who is pushing you around.
    People like you and other foreign warmongers are pushing for the Philippines to escalate the boat incident to make relations between PH and CN become hostile. You still dont understand dont you? Duterte doesn't want to make the incident spiral down any further. Don't you get that?? Its like when Pakistan shot down your planes, did India escalated the incident or talked to Pakistan to De-escalate the situation? PH is enjoying great economic benefits from its friendly relations with China. But of course pessimists like you will always find an argument to downplay this positive development.

    What makes you so sure ?
    What makes you so sure they will not? Our opinions doesn't matter anyway. what is important is that the Philippines will NOT engage in any conflict with China to please you or others who wants to use the Philippines as a tool to fight China on their behalf.

    If you plan to stick around you will have to make a proper intro.
    I already made a proper intro, it is actually long compared to the average introductions made by other users. Are you one of those creeps who likes to stalk people on Facebook? trying to find out their work, location, etc? Isn't forums meant to let people share their opinions while remaining anonymous? Otherwise perhaps we should be using our real names as our username and require people to present a valid ID when registering for an account.

    With all these east asian tigers you'd think PH would be further along than it is.
    This is what the Philippines get for being an American ally for 75+ years. The US helped Japan and South Korea to become economically strong, on the other hand, completely neglected the Philippines despite being an ally for a far longer time.

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    ^ This clown has all the authoritarian traits like his Chinese friends. I think Beijing has bought him, corrupt that is, and he's playing to Xi's looney tunes.
    What surprises me is for a country of 100+ million the level of FDI is pretty low. The Japs have only half a billion in PH

    China is rumoured to be bringing in $2bn

    Makes you wonder about PH laws and how investor friendly they are.

    With all these east asian tigers you'd think PH would be further along than it is.

    As of 2018, GDP of PH at $330 bn is less than Singapore or HK, Pakistan is next in the list at $313bn and the Banglas catching up at $287bn

    Thailand is at $487bn, Indonesia much further along at $1.02T
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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
    Duterte is NOT giving away parts of the Philippines, he is simply reluctant to escalate the conflict over Disputed territories.
    How do you know ? were you present when this "verbal agreement" was made ?

    Nothing in writing yet he makes statements when the rest of the lawmakers are in the dark.

    This lack of transparency is very familiar to any one watching China's moves in the region.

    The Philippines is NOT taking part in your little games.
    Who is playing games here. Who is sinking your boats. Who is pushing you around.

    Go send your own Indian navy fleet to the SCS and sink PLAN vessels if you’re really trigger happy for a full blown war. The Philippines will never take part in any of it while Duterte is in charge.
    We watch our region, what are you doing ? this people want to know

    Yes they will and Duterte is smart enough to avoid Filipinos getting slaughtered just because an Indian or American is trigger happy to start a war against China in expense of millions of innocent Filipino lives.
    What makes you so sure ?

    From what i've seen if you stick to your guns they back down. They only respect strength.

    BS. Stop your obsession about where I live or what I do LOL
    If you plan to stick around you will have to make a proper intro. We don't like interacting with bots.
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  • Pnoy
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    Why is this guy giving away PH's rights. On what authority ? his whims or people of PH cause i'm not seeing any involvement by the latter
    Duterte is NOT giving away parts of the Philippines, he is simply reluctant to escalate the conflict over Disputed territories. The Philippines is NOT taking part in your little games. Go send your own Indian navy fleet to the SCS and sink PLAN vessels if you’re really trigger happy for a full blown war. The Philippines will never take part in any of it while Duterte is in charge.

    China is not going to start a war with PH over these islands so why then is he misleading his people.
    Yes they will and Duterte is smart enough to avoid Filipinos getting slaughtered just because an Indian or American is trigger happy to start a war against China in expense of millions of innocent Filipino lives.

    NB: i'm still waiting for your intro !
    BS. Stop your obsession about where I live or what I do LOL

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
    You pretend that you care for what PH wants, but really you just want to bait the PH into conflict with China. Duterte is smart and he knows how to unmask deceivers like you. Stop using the Philippines as your pawn in your game of rivalry against China.
    Article XII, Section 2 of the PH Constitution ?

    Why is this guy giving away PH's rights. On what authority ? his whims or people of PH cause i'm not seeing any involvement by the latter

    I'd expect sovereign countries to stand up from their rights. That is if you intend to remain sovereign.

    Your statement makes no sense. What does the US have to do with Duterte’s decision to not engage in a war against China? Should Duterte be somewhat Afraid of the US? Is the US going to overthrow him to place another American puppet in power? The US needs to pay up the money that they owe to the Philippines. Period.
    His statement makes no sense because its BS!

    China is not going to start a war with PH over these islands so why then is he misleading his people.

    As i said before the Viets don't take this crap why should PH

    You already have a statement from Bolton, why then cave into China's demands ?

    NB: i'm still waiting for your intro !
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  • Pnoy
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    Who cares what China wants, what matters here is what PH wants. Is PH sovereign or not ?!?!
    You pretend that you care for what PH wants, but really you just want to bait the PH into conflict with China. Duterte is smart and he knows how to unmask deceivers like you. Stop using the Philippines as your pawn in your game of rivalry against China.

    Oh really ? Mr. strongman tells US to take a hike but is afraid of war with China.
    Your statement makes no sense. What does the US have to do with Duterte’s decision to not engage in a war against China? Should Duterte be somewhat Afraid of the US? Is the US going to overthrow him to place another American puppet in power? The US needs to pay up the money that they owe to the Philippines. Period.

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Sounds more and more like Duerte is on the take vis a vis Xi. Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has. Always thought he would sell out the Philippines for 40 pieces of silver by letting China have exclusive rights to the countries 200 mile EEZ. So what if Filipino fishermen can't fish in waters they have fished for a thousand years. So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway. So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway. So what if Chinese workers are starting to flood into the country for jobs since Filipinos are used to having no jobs.
    Look for transparency or its lack thereof

    Duterte-Xi fishing deal verbal — Palace | PH Inquirer | Jul 02 2019

    There is no written agreement between President Rodrigo Duterte and Chinese President Xi Jinping that allows the Chinese to fish in Philippine waters, Malacaņang said on Monday.

    Presidential spokesperson Salvador Panelo said the agreement referred to last week by the President was just a verbal understanding reached by the two leaders during a bilateral meeting in 2016.

    The President mentioned the deal on Monday last week in explaining why he could not bar the Chinese from fishing in the West Philippine Sea, the waters within the Philippines’ 370-kilometer exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the heavily disputed South China Sea.

    But Panelo said he agreed with the President that forcing the implementation of the exclusivity clause would be “courting danger.”

    “China would not want that,” Panelo said.

    China claims nearly the entire South China Sea, including the greater part of the Philippine EEZ and waters close to the shores of other Southeast Asian claimants in the strategic waterway — Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam.

    He said the agreement allowed Filipinos to fish again at Panatag Shoal, also known as Scarborough Shoal, which China blockaded after seizing it from the Philippines in 2012.

    “Remember we weren’t allowed in Scarborough (Shoal) before. They were being shooed away. But after that (the agreement), things were OK,” Panelo said.
    Who cares what China wants, what matters here is what PH wants. Is PH sovereign or not ?!?!


    Lawmakers and maritime law experts said the deal was a violation of Article XII, Section 2 of the Constitution, which requires the state to protect Philippine territory and reserves the use of the country’s marine resources for Filipinos.

    They said that such a deal needed congressional approval and that the President could be impeached for violating the exclusivity clause.
    This is what constitutions usually do. Protect the rights of the people concerned. Leaders getting into deals with foreign powers is ultravires

    Vice President Leni Robredo, speaking on her radio program on Sunday, called for transparency from Malacaņang on the deal with Xi.

    [W]e do not know the terms of [the] agreement. If this is… a treaty, then it has to be approved by Senate,” Robredo said.
    Right, this time there isn't even a hidden agreement, there is nothing written down.

    In 2016, however, the UN-backed Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, ruling on a challenge brought by the Philippines, declared China’s claim had no basis in international law and said it violated the Philippines’ sovereign right to fish and explore resources in its own exclusive economic zone.

    China ignored the ruling and went on to build artificial islands on seven Philippine-claimed reefs in the South China Sea that it later developed into military outposts.

    The President also set aside the ruling in exchange for aid, loans and investment from China.
    So here is the crux. PH won the arbitration. If they now make a deal with China they are in effect annulling that arbitration because now there is no dispute.

    Then we can say the purpose of the arbitration was to get a payout or some out of court settlement from China ? better be good.

    What are those seven reefs, no fishing or prospecting for minerals by PH in the west worth then ?

    President Duterte said Xi had warned that China would go to war if the Philippines insisted on its claim over the South China Sea.
    Oh really ? Mr. strongman tells US to take a hike but is afraid of war with China.

    Panelo on Monday said the exclusivity clause was the basis of the verbal understanding with Xi.

    He dismissed Bayan Muna’s criticism that the agreement was disclosed only last week, saying it had been mentioned a couple of times in the past.
    “We’ve been saying that even before, even myself. There was a deal, that’s why Scarborough Shoal was resolved,” Panelo said.

    He, however, said the deal did not mean the Philippines would no longer assert its rights in the South China Sea.

    “That’s the modus vivendi. We’re giving way as of now. But it doesn’t mean that we won’t invoke it in due time,” Panelo said, referring to the Hague court’s ruling.
    Hang on a minute, you say China can fish in your zone but you can also invoke the Hague ruling in due time ? haha i don't think so.

    An article i read from the 80s described China thus, a thief that breaks into your house and when you catch him says you can keep your wallet but he's taking your coat.
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  • Pnoy
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    Lots of debt due to loans and then a bankrupt government that signs over Philippine property to the Chinese for 99 years.
    You say a lot of pessimistic predictions, but none of it is going to happen, your stories will remain as fairy tales.

    You are making me think that my father wasted his time landing at Leyte and then losing his best friend in the mountains.
    So you are implying that by driving away the Japs from the Philippines, Filipinos somehow owe you something? Like what I said, Japan wouldn't have invaded the Philippines if it wasn't for American presence in the country. So technically speaking, it is you Americans who invited Japan to invade the Philippines leading to the misery of millions of Filipinos.

    Never heard of the Co-Prosperity Sphere of which all were to become a part of, whether they liked it or not, freeing Asians of "Western" powers.
    This is another example of an imaginative rant. Were central and south American countries consulted about the Monroe doctrine?

    So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway.
    As if America would have done something different? How many times do I have to repeat myself? America has been a close ally of the Philippines for close to a century. Did America even bothered to lift Filipinos out of poverty? No. What kind of an Ally is America then? You back stabbed Filipinos and instead bankrolled Japan and South Korea just because they are closer to the Soviet Union. You even befriended China, a communist dictatorship just so you can USE them against the Soviets. America has no morality or dignity to boast for.

    So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway.
    But I bet it is totally okay if it were rich American investors isnt it? It is still fresh in my mind back in 2002 during a school field trip, our class went to see the ocean adventure show in Subic, but outside the venue, close to the beach, we were told by a security personnel that locals were NOT allowed close to the beach as their "White" boss didn't want Filipinos in the property. Perhaps you will argue that since this "White" person somewhat owns the property because of his investment, he has every right to keep anyone he doesn't like from trespassing. But what if the owner is a Chinese person? Are you going to change your tune and cry how Chinese investors are stealing land from poor Filipinos?

    Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has.
    Duterte was voted into office because the previous Pro-American president (Aquino) was so unpopular due to his failed policies. After normalizing relations with China, Chinese investments started flowing in and it greatly helped the economy to grow. America on the other hand, wanted the Philippines to take a hostile attitude towards China, but is unwilling to compensate for the resulting economic loss due to such policies. America is Cheap.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Pnoy View Post
    Stop pretending you do not know the circumstances in Asia during WWll. Japan was left with no other choice but to invade the Philippines because at the time the Philippines is under American occupation. If Americans are not in the Philippines at that time, lets say if it was still under Spain, then there will be no need for the Japanese to invade because their chief concern is the Americans, not the Spanish. Besides, America needed to clear out Japanese presence in the Philippines anyway, otherwise how do you expect to win the war when there are still Japanese forces in other parts of Asia? What i am saying here is, you are required to defeat Japan no matter what, so dont twist facts and make it look like America saved the Philippines out of goodwill. It is like going to your job, you dont go to work because you're doing your boss or the company you are working for a favour, you go to work because you needed to.
    You can't be that ignorant can you? Never heard of the Co-Prosperity Sphere of which all were to become a part of, whether they liked it or not, freeing Asians of "Western" powers.

    The man you are arguing with is so beyond your pay grade in knowledge.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Impeach me, I'll jail you - Philippines' Duterte dares foes to test him | Reuters | Jun 28 2019



    Oh! look some people in PH disagree with Duterte, wonder why



    Who put this guy in office ? people of PH or is he like chief executive of HK appointed by Beijing


    I see


    Sounds familiar

    So I will reiterate what i said back in post #155

    Bolton will where Ash Carter would not.
    Sounds more and more like Duerte is on the take vis a vis Xi. Well he was always a thug first and now he is going to get his and probably already has. Always thought he would sell out the Philippines for 40 pieces of silver by letting China have exclusive rights to the countries 200 mile EEZ. So what if Filipino fishermen can't fish in waters they have fished for a thousand years. So what if poor Filipinos go hungry since they are used to that anyway. So what if Filipinos lose their land to rich Chinese investors as they live in shacks anyway. So what if Chinese workers are starting to flood into the country for jobs since Filipinos are used to having no jobs.
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  • Pnoy
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    When the US left Clark and Subic Bay, there was no strategic need for those bases.
    A base that is right next to the SCS for you is of no strategic value? Stop your denial already and pay the Philippines its due compensation. Filipinos are not seeking confrontation with the US or China, but the US has kept the Philippines at the back stage for most of the duration of its alliance while both Japan and South Korea has been showered with generous financial and technological assistance from the US which helped transformed these countries into the big economies they are now. This all happened despite the Philippines being an American ally way before Japan or Korea.

    Bait the Philippines? Manila is doing all that herself. The US has no need to bait anyone.
    Then perhaps the US should shut up, be quiet and pursue its confrontation with China alone by itself without "urging" other countries to gangbang China in the SCS

    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/17/...-fortification

    There won't be war in the SCS. The Chinese ain't stupid enough to start a fight they can't win.
    China is not interested in starting a war over the SCS anyways, it is the US who is pushing for confrontation in this area. But we all know that when an actual war happens, the US will just use the Philippines and all other unwilling participants in the SCS as live human shields to take the brunt of Chinese offensive while the average American live life comfortably thousands of miles away.

    In 1992, the Soviets were gone and the US only needed a garage at Subic Bay. They did not need nor want Clarke.
    But the Chinese and Vietnamese are still there, after a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Viet Cong, the US needed a forward base to keep Vietnam in check, but the US is cheap and did not wanted their long time ally the Philippines to benefit in their alliance. In short, the US is unwilling to shell billions of dollars for the Philippines, but is willing to do so for other countries like Japan or South Korea.

    The Senior partner decides alliance actions, not the junior.
    See? this is the kind of BS Duterte is talking about, the US never treated the Philippines as an equal partner but as a vassal. We were never paid enough compensation despite years of being a dependable US ally.

    NATO was created to keep the Americans in Europe, the Soviets out, and the Germans down.
    This is an important fact that many Germans should realize. I bet the US has the same attitude towards its other allies like the Philippines. keep the Philippines down so we wont have an independent voice in international matters. Unfortunately for the US, this is changing fast.

    You didn't say clean up before you leave. You just say to get out.
    Nope, the US is just like a rude and clumsy occupant. isn't the US a Superpower? like what I said, they could have spent $500 billion to speed up the clearing and clean up of the facilities. But the US decided to take the Cheap way out. If the US decides to man up and offer to pay the Philippines $11 Trillion then they will gain my respect. But until that day comes, America is the Cheap man of the world.

    or fuck sakes, they lost an army and a fleet. Eighty thousand Americans bled to free you from Japan.
    Stop pretending you do not know the circumstances in Asia during WWll. Japan was left with no other choice but to invade the Philippines because at the time the Philippines is under American occupation. If Americans are not in the Philippines at that time, lets say if it was still under Spain, then there will be no need for the Japanese to invade because their chief concern is the Americans, not the Spanish. Besides, America needed to clear out Japanese presence in the Philippines anyway, otherwise how do you expect to win the war when there are still Japanese forces in other parts of Asia? What i am saying here is, you are required to defeat Japan no matter what, so dont twist facts and make it look like America saved the Philippines out of goodwill. It is like going to your job, you dont go to work because you're doing your boss or the company you are working for a favour, you go to work because you needed to.

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  • Oracle
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    ^ This clown has all the authoritarian traits like his Chinese friends. I think Beijing has bought him, corrupt that is, and he's playing to Xi's looney tunes.

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