The Korean Dilemma

[Officer of Engineers]

I'm still bewildered that this happened out of the blue with zero indications of any crisis. However, the North Koreans cannot be happy that the ROKA reacted so fast.

[tbm3fan]

He is toast. The impeachment requires a 2/3 approval and they might get unanimous on Saturday. The President committed seppuku.

[Officer of Engineers]

What concerns me is that the ROKA Generals who obeyed this clearly illegal order, were not Yoon's yes-men.

[Officer of Engineers]

Kim is a frigging coward. Don't have the guts to stand by any decision. Didn't have the guts to stand for or against Martial Law, leaving it to Yoon. Don't have the guts to resign, leaving the decision to Yoon again.

[tbm3fan]

The Defense Minister proposed declaring martial law to President? Ah, so even though he is the one to propose to the President he will either stay or resign. Up to the President. Is Kim proposing a Get Out of Jail card for Yoon? My fault so I'll take the blame. Well then take the blame you wimp.

Both should be well done toast.

[Monash]

What concerns me is that the ROKA Generals who obeyed this clearly illegal order, were not Yoon's yes-men.

Was it technically 'illegal' though? If at law the President has the power to declare a national emergency and order a national mobilization. Having received the order to do so? The generals involved may well have been legally obliged to mobilize. The key issue I believe would have been the Presidents follow up orders i.e. what were they to do once mobilized. For example any orders to say arrest opposition leaders and impose a national curfew would clearly be illegal in these circumstances.

The thing is I haven't seen or read any news indicating what the else the generals actually did after being ordered to mobilize,.

[Officer of Engineers]

What emergency? There's no Intel about any riots, NKs crossing the border. Nothing indicating the need for the military to move out the barracks. An officer's job is to determine the threat. What threat? If no threat, then moving against the capital is clearly illegal.

[Monash]

What emergency? There's no Intel about any riots, NKs crossing the border. Nothing indicating the need for the military to move out the barracks. An officer's job is to determine the threat. What threat? If no threat, then moving against the capital is clearly illegal.

And if f it was an earth quake or typhoon would that be classed as a military emergency? The point I was trying to make that mere act of ordering a national mobilization by itself would not necessarily be illegal. For example if it was done as an exercise it would not be illegal. What I'm trying to point out is that if the President merely orders 'the armed forces to mobilize' that might not be illegal since he has the authority to do so. It's the follow up bit, the reason he gives and or the follow-up orders that he issues which could get him into deep s**t . For example 'I order the armed forces to mobilize because ...... exercise, earthquake, military incursion? Yes! I order the military to mobilize because .... I want to stage a political coup? No!

[Officer of Engineers]

We would have the Intel for earthquake or typhoon.

[Officer of Engineers]

As for exercises,' we give civies plenty of warning. We don't want to be sue for losing a man's job because we're blocking traffic.

A surprise ex will NEVER interfere with civies livelihood.

We plan civil chaos as part of our ex, ie we have civies volunteer to block us.

Yoon called out the military for no reason. The Generals should have seen it. They're Generals for Pete sakes.

[Gun Grape]

He is toast. The impeachment requires a 2/3 approval and they might get unanimous on Saturday. The President committed seppuku.

But he cannot be impeached because the Current Supreme Court doesn't have enough members. Either 2 or 3 retired this year and the Congress hasn't appointed new ones.

Seppuka is a Japanese thing Korea doesn't have any tradition like that

[Gun Grape]

I'm still bewildered that this happened out of the blue with zero indications of any crisis. However, the North Koreans cannot be happy that the ROKA reacted so fast.

Most Koreans that I know believe his wife talked him into it. She has been involved in many scandals. And the President may have had the Justice Dept "Look the other way" in her latest scheme.

He was most likely looking at being impeached, Some of his ministers have already. A long shot that failed.

[Monash]

We would have the Intel for earthquake or typhoon.

My point was that I don't know/haven't heard what was in the official mobilization orders. I could be mistaken but as yet I don't think they've been made public. Until we do? As far as I'm concerned the Generals are in a dammed if they do dammed if they don't situation. The President has the the legal authority to authorize a mobilization. It's one thing to just say 'mobilize' it's another to say 'mobilize and stage a coup'. If specifics weren't included the the mobilization orders the obvious answer would be to order the mobilization to commence and immediately seek clarification as to the purpose. Until specific instructions were issued? Any mobilized troops would stay on base.

[Officer of Engineers]

Kudos, now you've got it. Never mind the military, Korean police was also called out ... to no riot.

[Monash]

Kudos, now you've got it. Never mind the military, Korean police was also called out ... to no riot.

Err... that was my point from the beginning.