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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Trump offers promises in exchange for verifiable disarmament.
    It still blows my mind that people trust Donald Trump.

    The man is a pathological liar. He lies about things that don't even really matter, then gets proved dead wrong....and then doubles down and lies about it even more.

    I'd sooner trust a rabid dog than Donald Trump.

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  • astralis
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    Kim has to at least stop nuclear development; more specificially re-entry vehicle and fusing development.
    to the extent any of that is happening, it's probably being forced not by Trump but by the collapse of the nuclear testing mountain, lol.

    so as far as i can tell both sides are farting out of their mouths. Kim wants aid, Moon wants to get Trump to stop talking about hitting NK, Trump wants a Nobel, and Xi wants stability. so everyone does a Kabuki dance with intangibles.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by astralis View Post
    i think it's pretty clear now that it's been Moon that is playing Trump, not Kim.
    Maybe but Trump is offerring nothing but promises while Kim has to at least stop nuclear development; more specificially re-entry vehicle and fusing development.

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  • astralis
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    i think it's pretty clear now that it's been Moon that is playing Trump, not Kim.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    As I've maintained all along: A small child could play Trump.

    In both senses of the word.
    As I said, between Fat Boy and Trump, I'll take Trump.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=55241910

    Trump offers promises in exchange for verifiable disarmament.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    He said Kim called these talks on his own. NK cares the least about world opinion. It wasn't any external factors. Those played a role but are secondary, so you can include Trump & Chinese sanctions in here as well. Kim is ready for talks because he knows he can hit the US with a nuke and the Americans know it too. Why else was there this talk of nuclear war. Either get the nukes from him or hit them are the only two options
    North Korea does not have a nuke that can hit the US.

    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Kim isn't desperate. He's out shopping
    If he was shopping, he would not have kowtowed to Xi like he did.

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  • Double Edge
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    Was listening to a talk by Robert Kelly. The one whose daughter is world famous : D

    He said Kim called these talks on his own. NK cares the least about world opinion. It wasn't any external factors. Those played a role but are secondary, so you can include Trump & Chinese sanctions in here as well. Kim is ready for talks because he knows he can hit the US with a nuke and the Americans know it too. Why else was there this talk of nuclear war. Either get the nukes from him or hit them are the only two options

    The other part about whether his backers are hungry. Here is a quote by Benjamin Franklin that is apt

    We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

    Literally.

    NK is run by about 200k people, if they don't stick together they are all dead. If they have to go hungry they will go hungry but they won't pull the rug from Kim

    Kim isn't desperate. He's out shopping
    Last edited by Double Edge; 22 May 18,, 08:04.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
    What's the end-game, though?
    He wants what Trump has. To be respected/feared across the world. Only the ugly little word called survival is threatening his delusions of grandeur.

    You're right. Fat Boy is not going to abandon his nukes. It's his only card to bargin with. Give that up and he is nothing more than a beggar to his Chinese overlords.

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    It's a bluff on KJU's part. Otherwise, he would not have gone to China - twice. He needs sanction relief and he needs it fast. Trump has responded that he's not going to beg for a meet and MAX THUNDER has not been cancelled - by the South Koreans no less.

    In fact, the more I think about it. What does Fat Boy got left? His only ace was nukes and that did not make him the power that he wants to be. His military is in shambles. He needs trade, especially with the Chinese. What's he going to do? Restart his nuke program? Spending more money he doesn't have?

    The Chinese sanctions hurt and hurt big time. He needs Trump's ok far more than Trump needs a photo op.
    heh yeah, KJU's hardballing Trump : D

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  • GVChamp
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    What's the end-game, though? North Korea isn't going to torpedo the nuclear program. They might backtrack a bit, but they will still maintain their ability to develop nukes quickly, and they'll just suffer otherwise.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    It's a bluff on KJU's part. Otherwise, he would not have gone to China - twice. He needs sanction relief and he needs it fast. Trump has responded that he's not going to beg for a meet and MAX THUNDER has not been cancelled - by the South Koreans no less.

    In fact, the more I think about it. What does Fat Boy got left? His only ace was nukes and that did not make him the power that he wants to be. His military is in shambles. He needs trade, especially with the Chinese. What's he going to do? Restart his nuke program? Spending more money he doesn't have?

    The Chinese sanctions hurt and hurt big time. He needs Trump's ok far more than Trump needs a photo op.
    Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 16 May 18,, 20:48.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Kim is playing Trump and Trump doesn't even know it
    As I've maintained all along: A small child could play Trump.

    In both senses of the word.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Kim is playing Trump and Trump doesn't even know it. Trump wants this meeting badly and Kim knows it. Trump needs this celebrity photo op for his brand, his image and his Nobel Prize. Trump has already made one huge concession by giving Kim the one thing the North has wanted more than anything else, a high level meeting with a President no less. Now that he has conferred some legitimacy to Kim's regime what else is he willing to concede to Kim before any negotiations?

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  • Double Edge
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    Seems our MoS is in Pyongyang on a visit. Who knew

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    V.K. Singh makes surprise visit to North Korea | Hindu | May 16 2018

    The visit by Gen. Singh, and the secrecy surrounding it suggests that India is trying to quietly rebuild ties with the reclusive regime, ostracised by most of the world due to its defiance of UNSC norms on nuclear weapons. In the past year, India had joined the U.S. and allies in statements “deploring” nuclear tests and ballistic missile tests by the DPRK, although it had earlier refrained from similarly strong language.

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  • Double Edge
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    Ah, now we have a data and a place to meet

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