The Korean Dilemma

[Double Edge]

^^this

Just call the whole thing off whenever if he wants to

These very tactics are diving folks mad across the globe

[Officer of Engineers]

yes, the whole thing is based off of vague promises, on both sides. HOWEVER, the -way- Trump framed his promises, he blindsided both the Pentagon and ROK with the exercise announcement, and he echoed NK propaganda while making said announcement.

sure, you can put the exercises back on, or just vaguely push things off to the future...but he's already 1. weakened his future position and 2. lowered ROK trust in the US as a reliable ally by using those words, when he didn't have to. and both of these points are concrete North Korean and Chinese goals!!

You've got to be shitting me! After the way he blindsided Ottawa, Seoul, and Tokyo, you think Beijing and Pyongyang can pressure him into keeping his word?

Also, this is the man who outplayed KJU. Fat Boy made noises about cancellation but it was Trump who cancelled the meet and KJU scarmbled to put it back on. Trump cancelled once. He can, will, and has done it again and again and again.

I do not see the exercises being cancelled until the first American verified the first North Korean claim.

[astralis]

yes, the whole thing is based off of vague promises, on both sides. HOWEVER, the -way- Trump framed his promises, he blindsided both the Pentagon and ROK with the exercise announcement, and he echoed NK propaganda while making said announcement.

sure, you can put the exercises back on, or just vaguely push things off to the future...but he's already 1. weakened his future position and 2. lowered ROK trust in the US as a reliable ally by using those words, when he didn't have to. and both of these points are concrete North Korean and Chinese goals!!

[Officer of Engineers]

It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so it does sound like a concession.

Then let's call a spade a spade. Those exercises were not meant for self defence. They were meant to sharpen forces to to attack and destroy 80% of the North Korean Army and held twice a year; leaving absolutely no doubt that both South Korea and the US are on a warfooting. If you can execute the exercise, you can execute the operational plan.

At the very least it could undercut the negotiating team by removing an Ace from their back pocket prematurely. It would seem to me, being the expert deal maker he claims to be, that I would want to keep my cards close to my vest rather than exposing them to the other players.

He got an ace back. He got KJU to allow AMERICAN verification of nuclear disarmament. Not the UN, not the IAEA, not the Chinese, not the Russians, not neutral India, not South Korean, not Japanese but AMERICAN VERIFCATION.

[tbm3fan]

Just vague promises. KJU promised to denuclearize - someday. Trump promised to stop war games - someday.

I don't know about that. He has made statements before about the expense of US troops over there. Now he uses a North Korean term to describe our war games. He says they should be ended. He says we can save a lot of money which may seem to say we could withdraw troops. He says all this which no doubt catches the South, Japan, and it seems some in the Pentagon by surprise. His comments closely resemble what Beijing and Pyongyang have always wanted.

It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so it does sound like a concession. At the very least it could undercut the negotiating team by removing an Ace from their back pocket prematurely. It would seem to me, being the expert deal maker he claims to be, that I would want to keep my cards close to my vest rather than exposing them to the other players.

[667medic]

Kim boy just gave a whole new meaning to the phrase “Squeaky wheel gets the grease”

[667medic]

Two nations (North Korea and Singapore) and two individuals (Kim and Trump) gained gained the most from this so called summit.

[Double Edge]

The historic meeting between the President of the United States of America and the Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea produced a wonderful photo op, and not much more.


_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Kim Jong-un_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Donald J. Trump
To be taken seriously for the first time_ _ _ _ _ _ To be taken seriously for the first time [Kim only gets one chance here]

The attention of the world_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ The attention of the world

Vague statement on denuclearization_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Doesn’t have to stay an extra day

Suspension of US-ROK war games_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Offer to destroy a testing site

Confusion among US allies_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Chance to showboat instincts, ability, talent [Confusion in China too ? according to you]

US security guarantee_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Produced a Hollywood-style movie trailer! [What US security guarantee ? there is no peace declaration (yet)]

Similar statement phrasing to 1994, 2005_ _ _ Repeat of an old commitment on KIAs



Bottom line: “As for the substance of the meeting, there wasn’t any.”
… as per The Washington Post.

The full text of the statement is here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44453330

Both sides are looking good at the end of this meet.

Substance of the meeting was the beginning of a process, why is that so hard to grasp by these scribes !!!

The hard bargaining begins now and commitment to see it through is how both of these players will be judged

[Officer of Engineers]

Trump's got a de facto freeze on missile testing and a shuttering of a missile site, from what it sounds like. Denuclearization is a pipe-dream, the only thing you can hope for now is stopping (or rather slowing) NK's drive towards warheads and especially missile testing.

I agree it's probably a give-away without much, but I'm still waiting for more details.

Also the NK strategy is going to nuclearize as much as necessary to be considered a threat by the US, and the "threat" is measured by the willingness of the US to make some sort of concession. A hypothetical other-administration stonewalling and NOT talking to NK is going to result in NK doing more missile tests, and continuing to do so until the US altered its strategy. Which would happen, eventually.

Just vague promises. KJU promised to denuclearize - someday. Trump promised to stop war games - someday.

[Double Edge]

A narcissistic lying traitor of a republic meets a despotic murderer of family despotate in a historic world first reality TV show stunt. The sign a piece of worthless paper (since neither can be trusted to keep their word anyway) and say "what a great show this is". *Audience applauds* credits...

Next on Trumpkin TV a rerun of the world famous "All the Deals I never did with Moscow".

Dear President Obama & other participants

You have single handedly, throughly and utterly betrayed us to our mortal enemy with this Iran deal

xxxxx
Israel & KSA

Bias is dead easy to spot, its the inability to find even one positive thing about an administration

[GVChamp]

There was a landslide. They 'blew up' already non functional bits left over.

Isn't that referencing the nuclear bomb testing site, not the missile site?

[snapper]

a shuttering of a missile site

There was a landslide. They 'blew up' already non functional bits left over.

[GVChamp]

Trump's got a de facto freeze on missile testing and a shuttering of a missile site, from what it sounds like. Denuclearization is a pipe-dream, the only thing you can hope for now is stopping (or rather slowing) NK's drive towards warheads and especially missile testing.

I agree it's probably a give-away without much, but I'm still waiting for more details.

Also the NK strategy is going to nuclearize as much as necessary to be considered a threat by the US, and the "threat" is measured by the willingness of the US to make some sort of concession. A hypothetical other-administration stonewalling and NOT talking to NK is going to result in NK doing more missile tests, and continuing to do so until the US altered its strategy. Which would happen, eventually.

[tbm3fan]

Absolutely hilarious with how the Republicans acted on Cuba and Iran.

Agree wholeheartedly and if Obama had met with Kim he would have been accused of appeasement. What I see here looks very familiar to the past. Lots of gobblygook talk. In fact if anybody got anything out of this it was Kim. He got Trump to say US war games were "very provocative" and they should be stopped. Score: Kim: 1 Trump: still waiting

[snapper]

Seeing as he has done nothing to protect your election mechanisms from the Muscovite interference that got him elected you may sadly be right.