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I couldn't find the Indian defence thread, so posting it here.
Boeing tests Super Hornet for Indian Navy
So many things happening, and so much confusion.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThis should be a no brainer. Navalized Sukhois. Your logistics are already in place and HIND is already doing the maintenance. But intelligent choices are really too much to ask for from any government.
But intelligent choices are really too much to ask for from the Indian government.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostHate to break it to you. India ain't unique. Witness the Canadian F18-F35-SUPERBUG-Australian F18 fiasco.
The other thing I had in mind for Navalized Sukhois that you bought up, my guess is India is moving away slowly from a 70% Russian arsenal. Not so fast, since we don't want to piss the Russians off so that they start selling to the Paks and also lose a vote in the UNSC. Have good diplomatic relations with the Russians, but diversify weapons purchases, more from the western market, and Israel. Also, the nightmare of Russian spares and kits would forever bear on the minds of the forces.
Another thing I wanted to talk about is the mindset. I read somewhere that the Indian military doesn't trust America. Then why are both countries participating in so many combat exercises? Malabar Naval exercises started from 1992, IIRC, before India conducted its 2nd nuke tests. Government directive, which they have to follow? Or just plain goodwill. I think this mindset is from the head of the forces, and will change with the newer generation in the years to come. You have access to men and minds, so I would like try and understand what you have to say about this.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostSo, apart from America, all democracies suck when it comes to weapons acquisition, or in other words spending.
And there are American fiascos. The much touted Strategic Defence Iniative and the Future Combat Systems wasted $billions with not even a prototype being produced. Then, there is the muich touted 6.8mm replacement round but while the improvements are significant, the cost of switching over from the 5.56mm could not be justified.
Lert's not ignore the Russian 5.45 and the Chinese 5.8. While on paper, these rounds are superior to the 5.56 but you're producing these things at a 1000 rounds per $35. Whatever advantage you have disappeared in QA.
Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostCFBs Valcartier, Petawawa, Gageotwn, and Suffield are not mountainous. They represent the Fulda Gap more than anything else. The only thing I can think off is the Chinese are trying to learn Winter Warfare reccee and masking but again, the Russians are more keen to that than we are.
China is a wannabe Arctic power. They want to be in that space and the more they get to train with others the better.
Their only route there is through Russia.
How this works out i don't know but where there's a will .....
On a side note that war of 1812 wasn't really a Canada US war.
More like a British empire against the US
So who really burnt down the US capitol, eh
Wonder what the border conflicts between US & Canada were like then
Any time the Brits look weak ie. Napoleonic wars, presents an opportunity for the US to expand manifest destiny and grab territory up north. This sparked 1812. Didn't work out.
US buys Alaska from Russia because it would be a good way to surround Canada.
Russia does not mind selling because they don't want the Brits off their coast and hope to weaken the Brits.
Alaska + west coast = pincer on BC
British Columbia will only join Canada if a railroad is built to allow British troops in for defense.
Enter Chinese immigrants to build that railway and save Canada ? the start of China Canada relations
The purchase was in 1867, couple years after the civil war ended and this is what the Americans were thinking ??
Suppose there were some scores to be settled because Confederate money was being channeled through Canadian banks to wage economic warfare on the US with the intent to crash the greenback.
Later on there was a war plan put together in 1920 about how Canada would invade the US !!!
Defense Scheme #1
Because there was still this fear of being gobbled up by the US.
Three pronged attack, west coast, mid west, montreal push down, destroy all critical infrastructure.
Then retreat and wait for a bail out from the Brits.
The Americans not to be taken by surprise had their own invade Canada plan which was a counter to this one.
They called it War plan red.Last edited by Double Edge; 03 Jan 21,, 01:33.
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Longer version of her talk is here, which gets into Chinese influence in Canada
The China Canada link is a pretty long one. Going on over a century and a half.
300k Canadians in HK alone.
Canada recognises China in 1970. Nixon would only arrive there a year later.
Ten years earlier Canadian wheat was being sent to China to take the edge of the GLF.
Right through the '62 war and then the Canadian loan of nearly half a billion to China to buy Canadian wheat & barley.
Still they arrested Meng Zhou and this is with Justin in office with a minority govt.
Going soft on China means Justin tells Trump he can't do that.
Didn't happen.
How did the lefty partners not stall this.
US Canada split would be in China's interest but it isn't so easy to pull off.
US remains Canada's first trading partner. China is at number 3.
China invites the First Nation leaders to sell them on telecoms. They can get it done cheaper than Canada.
Do the same with the eskimos
Chinese telecoms in Nunavut, not too far from the NORAD base too.
She thinks if Justin can come back with a majority then Huawei is inLast edited by Double Edge; 03 Jan 21,, 01:38.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostOn a side note that war of 1812 wasn't really a Canada US war.
More like a British empire against the US
As for the First Nations buying Hwawei, yeah, that ain't happenning. They get their monies from Ottawa. Last I checked, COVID shut down their casinos. So, whatever Ottawa says goes, not the other way around. Don't know who she is but an expert in Canadian politics she ain't.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 03 Jan 21,, 06:34.Chimo
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oOriginally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostOn this side of the border, it was viewed as a Canadian War. It was a war in which Canada stated unequivically that we are not Americans. Canada, as a nation, came together with new regiments being raised specifically to fight the Americans. The other people who saw the war as their own and not the British was the Tecumseh Confederacy. The British was just their allies. However, the First Nations lost but Canada was saved ... by the Canadians.
Canada as we know it now did not exist back then.
She did mention the not Americans bit, but I understood that sentiment developed later.
Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostAs for the First Nations buying Hwawei, yeah, that ain't happenning. They get their monies from Ottawa. Last I checked, COVID shut down their casinos. So, whatever Ottawa says goes, not the other way around.
Out there isolated in the wilderness they need the connectivity.
Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostDon't know who she is but an expert in Canadian politics she ain't.
https://www.fdd.org/team/cleo-paskal/
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/user/cleo-paskal
She looks sooo French
This looks like the compact version of what PLA was doing in Canada.
Because so what...
Global Affairs Canada (Canada's foreign office) thinks the Military should not have a say here at all, lol, typical :|
It does seem like different arms of govt run at counter purposes.
Canada and Russia in particular should not be entertaining China in the Arctic.
Then again maybe neither see China becoming a threat there. Ever.
Unlike Australia China does not need to buy pols in Canada because they have deep ties with the top that go back decades.
Still, i'm surprised things took such a turn for the worse. Only because of Meng Zhou. That was a big ask from Canada. You delivered.
What was the need to abduct the two Michaels.
Throw away decades of good will ? over what...
This is the problem, i keep forgetting the concept of friend does not exist with the CCP.
Out of the five eyes Canada gets the least flak from the CCP.
The CCP sense Canada is moving away from hedging and towards alliance. They lost Canada.
The long relations with China makes one think Canada would be ripe for the picking by the CCP.
But after listening to her i don't get that impression at all. I don't expect any Kevin Rudd like behaviour from Canada.
If Justin can't pull it off no one can. His dad first visited China back in 1949.
It feels as though in Ottawa, as in many capitals around the world, the political and business communities are keen to continue business as usual with Beijing, while the defence, security and intelligence sectors are trying to fight for a change of direction. Those voices can use all the outside support they can get given the old, deep and entrenched pro-Beijing elements in Canadian politics.
India burned through its China lobby crucible in Galwan and came out the other side a beacon for those desiring comprehensive national defence—blazing the way with app bans, FDI investigations, visa scrutiny, defence partnerships and more. Rather than criticise India’s internal issues, Canada would do well to learn from New Delhi’s external actions. Before too long, Canada will likely need India more than its Ottawa-based civil service can possibly imagine.
Article of her talk at China UnscriptedLast edited by Double Edge; 03 Jan 21,, 23:10.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostHow much agency did Canada have back then ? Your provinces only start to form 1870's onwards.
Canada as we know it now did not exist back then.
She did mention the not Americans bit, but I understood that sentiment developed later.
There were a lot of British Officers who fell in love with Canada and made it their homes. General Issac Brock is a Canadian hero even though he was British borned.
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostThis is the part i found surprising, she said Ottawa would let First Nations have the money so long as they could form a majority govt. Sounds like an election ploy.
Out there isolated in the wilderness they need the connectivity.
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostOnly recently heard her on the Stratnews channel. Very interesting Quebecoise
DND and Foreign Affairs have been at loggerheads for decades. We have zero respect for each other and quite frankly, we ignored everything Foreign Affairs says. As for China disrupting the US-Canadian Alliance, on what freaking planet? We worried about Trump because he can make our lives miserable. We don't give two fucks what Xi thinks. We bent over backwards for the new NAFTA. China bans our soybeans? Boohoo. We ain't changing squat to please Xi.
Chimo
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As a student of American military history I can tell you quite a number of Canadians existed in 1775 when they defeated an American force led by Benedict Arnold and RIchard Montgomery at Quebec....and a whole bunch of times from 1812-1814.
Not to mention they kicked ass on some Fenians in 1866.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThis should be a no brainer. Navalized Sukhois. Your logistics are already in place and HIND is already doing the maintenance. But intelligent choices are really too much to ask for from any government.
Even the F-18 and Rafale are unlikely to be acquired because the deck lifts on both carriers are sized exactly to fit the folded wingspan of the Mig-29K and nothing larger. Neither the F-18, nor the Rafale-M can fit as is. While we didn't have any option on the Gorshkov, the deck lift size problem on the Vikrant is an issue created solely by the IN itself. They have no one else to blame.
This test by Boeing is just a PoC to show the IN that the aircraft can takeoff from a ski-jump. Nothing much is likely to come out of it even if the IN would like it to thanks to the precarious budgetary situation and the very long list of pending acquisitions for all 3 services.Last edited by Firestorm; 05 Jan 21,, 06:51.
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