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  • Originally posted by kuku View Post
    Considering our only friends in the subcontinent have the thunder dragon on their flag, I would be very careful with these types of graphics.
    This is quite a game, politics. There are no permanent enemies, and no permanent friends, only permanent interests. We'll support where our interests align, and resist where our interests do not converge.
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
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      I cannot see why we would need American nukes

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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        I cannot see why we would need American nukes
        Ofcourse India needs American nukes right, when India gives up her own nukes and comes under American nuke umbrella?

        Wouldn’t it be hard for China to threaten a non-nuke state especially one that is under American protection.
        Seek Save Serve Medic

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        • Originally posted by 667medic View Post
          Ofcourse India needs American nukes right, when India gives up her own nukes and comes under American nuke umbrella?
          And why would we do that after all the hassle of acquiring them in the first place

          Originally posted by 667medic View Post
          Wouldn’t it be hard for China to threaten a non-nuke state especially one that is under American protection.
          Threaten us with what ? we have both have the same nuclear doctrines.

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          • Some thing else happened on Jun 15

            Deterrent message to China | DH | Jun 24 2020

            Notice how there was no water flowing into the Indian side in May but appears like normal these days.

            yeah, we blew up this 'structure' inside their territory that was holding back the water.

            It was precisely to ensure that this structure was in fact demolished that troops went in on the night of the June 15. Fanciful and overdramatised accounts that have emerged of the Chinese having “opened the dam” to wash away our troops that night are not just patently wrong, but also untenable based on the satellite imagery of the afternoon of June 16, put out by Reuters & Planetlabs.

            The main reason was that there was no reservoir, nor was there a dam that spanned the entire valley to create the necessary flash flood. Moreover, the images of June 16 show that the rest of the valley remained as bone dry after the alleged “manmade flash-flood”, as it was on June 14. Furthermore, there is no visible debris/detritus characteristic of a flash-flood to be seen. In short, the imagery is unequivocal - no flash-flood could have been created even if desired, and no-flash-flood was created.

            Yet, images taken on June 17 show the offending structure dismantled and the Galwan in full flow right up to the Shyok. By June 19, the flow of the river had turned torrential and the Chinese were bringing up remnants of the dismantled structure right up to the LAC presumably to demonstrate compliance with the disengagement agreement.

            In short, what our soldiers achieved on the night of June 15 was some significant systemic shock that forced the Chinese to stop this highly dangerous weaponisation of water. It is, therefore, safe to say the status quo ante has indeed been restored in Galwan, but more importantly, a clear deterrent message has been sent to China.

            What happened on the night of June 15 has not just set a precedent that India will not tolerate the weaponisation of water but also shown the way to South East Asian countries that suffer the same anxieties with regards to China’s upper riparian control of rivers like the Mekong.

            By demonstrating that some Chinese actions will result in a violent Indian reaction, we have reached a new phase in the bilateral relationship. However, the high-risk, high-yield actions India has taken, cannot and must not be acknowledged at the official level, and that is the way it will be.

            Last edited by Double Edge; 25 Jun 20,, 06:01.

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            • psy ops only works if you follow the global times.

              China’s psychological warfare goes beyond fake news about their casualties. Here is what they are trying to do | OP India | Jun 21 2020
              Last edited by Double Edge; 25 Jun 20,, 06:24.

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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                I cannot see why we would need American nukes
                Where does anyone, the Colonel, or me, say that?
                Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                • Several days after the incident we still don't have the complete picture yet. The Chinese have been silent and Indian government is giving info in dribbles and yet there is more confusion.

                  1) If the Galwan was dry, how did so may soldiers drown?

                  2) From where did the soldiers fall down to have so many injuries.

                  3) Where did the incident happen. AIM originally said that they happened in a narrow ledge and the whole ledge gave away under the weight of the soldiers\, so where is this?

                  4)How did the Galwan get diverted or stopped?


                  In the meantime, the partial info that we have has led to many so called 'defense experts' give half backed reports on the incident.
                  1) The Galwan was blocked and releases, wshin away our soldiers.

                  2) A ledge gave away and soldiers on both sides plunged to death.

                  3) Ajay Shukla, being an officer seems incapable of reading the scales in a map, claiming a 150 m intrusion as 1.5 km.

                  4) Nitin claiming that the new structures are Indian when it is clear that the orientation is pointed towards India.


                  I am just disgusted with the way India has dealt with the situation. The majority of the Indians understand the constrains that India has wile dealing with China. So it is better to provide the complete information and take the public into confidence. Instead we are seeing the media checking with the Army for clarification every time something new comes up. Why doesn't India have a proper PR department like the ISPR?
                  Seek Save Serve Medic

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                  • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                    Where does anyone, the Colonel, or me, say that?
                    He is implying to become an ally we have to give up our nukes and use theirs

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                    • I would not trust Western promises on paper.

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        He is implying to become an ally we have to give up our nukes and use theirs
                        France and the UK didn't but what it does mean is that if the Americans launch, you launch. If they don't launch, you don't launch. You will have no independent nuclear doctrine and you have just become a Russian target.
                        Chimo

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                        • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                          France and the UK didn't but what it does mean is that if the Americans launch, you launch. If they don't launch, you don't launch. You will have no independent nuclear doctrine and you have just become a Russian target.
                          Fair. These are important points to understand.

                          People seem to think we can pull off something like we had with the Soviets in the 70s.

                          Originally posted by snapper View Post
                          I would not trust Western promises on paper.
                          Ukraine gives up its nukes in the 90's and see what happened twenty years later
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 25 Jun 20,, 18:37.

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                          • Originally posted by 667medic View Post
                            I am just disgusted with the way India has dealt with the situation. The majority of the Indians understand the constrains that India has wile dealing with China. So it is better to provide the complete information and take the public into confidence. Instead we are seeing the media checking with the Army for clarification every time something new comes up. Why doesn't India have a proper PR department like the ISPR?
                            You either have an open society where everyone and his cat can express his opinion and claim that to be the truth or you get a closed one where the Army or the govt. has control of all information coming out.

                            PR department is of little use in a democracy where anyone can question and disbelieve either the govt. or the army or both regardless of what they say. A PR department will only increase the level of disbelief.

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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              People seem to think we can pull off something like we had with the Soviets in the 70s.
                              You didn't. India was under the illusion she was not a nuclear weapons target. That has been discussed at length before.
                              Chimo

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                People seem to think we can pull off something like we had with the Soviets in the 70s.
                                People need to get a grip. One border skirmish and we are talking about giving up nukes and becoming an American ally (as if the Americans are just waiting for us to ask for that). Sheesh.

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