Border face-off: China and India each deploy 3,000 troops

[Oracle]

I side with the CCP on this one though I do not wish anyone to enter the Chinese Justice system. FLG are nothing more than snakeoil salesmen, asking its members to donate their entire life savings so the heads can have lavish lifestyles. Their claim to fame is the practice of "Chi" in which meditation and inner focus of will can heal the body of cancer and all other ailement.

This came to the point where practioners litterally set themselves and their children on fire to prove they can heal themselves. I have zero sympathies for FLG. Do what you want but leave the kids out of it.

The CCP crackdown is understandable. You have parents of CCP members who gave their life savings to this fraud and you think the their sons and daughters in the CCP won't go after them? They approached me (ethnic Chinese and all) and I set my dogs on them after they would not leave my property.

Understandable. What's tires me out is the CCP harvested organs of the Falun Gong members for profit. No rule of law. You can't have arguments here.

Sir, does ethnicity matter, in this board, or in today's world? You are a good human being first. You know what sucks for me? Original Chinese food. I had duck chowmein once in Greenwich, and it had little to no salt, bad smelling sauces (oyster etc), and the duck started pecking my stomach from inside. However, I respect people who eat that, it's their ethnic food, and they grew up eating those. For me, after Biryani and Mughlai meat dishes, Indian-Chinese is to die for. The Shezwan kind. Then there's always Pizza, BBQ and so many good foods. I can write a 5000 page book about good food.

[Officer of Engineers]

Understandable. What's tires me out is the CCP harvested organs of the Falun Gong members for profit. No rule of law. You can't have arguments here.

It's not FLG specific but anyone doing life behind bars (mind you it ain't that hard to get life sentences and that life sentence ain't going to be long).

Sir, does ethnicity matter, in this board, or in today's world? You are a good human being first. You know what sucks for me? Original Chinese food. I had duck chowmein once in Greenwich, and it had little to no salt, bad smelling sauces (oyster etc), and the duck started pecking my stomach from inside. However, I respect people who eat that, it's their ethnic food, and they grew up eating those. For me, after Biryani and Mughlai meat dishes, Indian-Chinese is to die for. The Shezwan kind. Then there's always Pizza, BBQ and so many good foods. I can write a 5000 page book about good food.

Yeah, that explains why a third of your population have high blood pressure. My doc put me on a low sodium diet and a cardio program, aka poison and torture.

[Firestorm]

Gentlemen, at this point, I would caution you to sit back and wait for the intel to come to you. Too much speculation and not enough data. Your army is ready to receive the enemy but no one is ready for war. There is not enough prep work on either side to initiate war. What's more. No one wants war. Else both sides would be rushing men and material to the front.

I realize that it is extremely hard to wait and do nothing but that is exactly what needs to be done right now.

Right now, just keep asking questions. Don't expect answers because the Chinese won't say squat.

Sir, the current situation is serious precisely because the Chinese have been rushing men and materiel to the front, including artillery and tanks. They are even furiously constructing more infra at their air bases to support larger detachments of aircraft. Plus there are unconfirmed reports of the PLAAF stationing some aircraft at Skardu in PoK to give their aircraft a secondary ingress route. Otherwise it would just have been business as usual. And their primary designs seem to be centered around the new Indian road that is crucial for resupplying troops in eastern Ladakh.

[Mithridates]

Gulags are already there in Xinjiang. Falun Gong members were exterminated. Tibet. Some more examples I can't re-collect as of now.

And that's perfectly consistent with every other empire, and quite distinct from the Nazis. The German standard was that if you had even 1/4 Jewish ancestry (i.e. 1 Jewish grandparent), you were targeted for extermination. It wasn't a question of religion. Jews whose ancestors had converted to Christianity generations ago were put in the gas chambers. You may or may not know this, but Judaism isn't just a religion - it's also an ethnicity. The vast majority of Jews (90+%) have ancestors who originated in the area in which Israel stands today.

The Chinese targeting revolves around loyalty to the state and/or willingness to abandon what is considered a heterodox religion/belief system, not ancestry. At the moment, Muslims and Christians are being targeted. In time, Xi may move on to China's traditional religions - Taoism and Buddhism. The objective may be to ensure that China has only one state religion - party worship - and one living god - the leader of the moment.

[Firestorm]

Countering China's aggression: US bill seeks to train QUAD's fighter pilots

Dumb politicians and their dumber ideas. So apparently they want the USAF to train Indian pilots on how to fly their Russian and French aircraft.

Japanese and Australian pilots already got training for their instructors when they bought their F-15's and F-18's.

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir, the current situation is serious precisely because the Chinese have been rushing men and materiel to the front, including artillery and tanks.

My intel suggests otherwise. Ever since Western Theatre Command took over from the Chengdu Military Region, two group armies have been reduced to divisional strength. Armour and artillery also have gone down in number as newer system replaced them but it was more like a 2 to 3 replacement (2 new pieces for every 3 pieces retired).

Logistics have improved tremendously. Larger staging areas have been built for long distance support while the more numerous smaller staging areas that could only support shorter distances are being abandoned.

All told, if taken into consideration a more modern but smaller force, I say the China Army combat effectiveness have not increased at all but remained the same with the Chengdu MR.

[Double Edge]

I've been looking for a summary of areas that people claim have been lost to China's land grabs. This clip includes maps. Note that over half of these areas were being settled by Chinese before 2014. The opposition charges Modi is only adding to the list.

[kuku]

That is a good question. if there are land grabs, why is the government and establishment silent, that is a good question, it would be in the government's favour to hype this up?

[Firestorm]

My intel suggests otherwise. Ever since Western Theatre Command took over from the Chengdu Military Region, two group armies have been reduced to divisional strength. Armour and artillery also have gone down in number as newer system replaced them but it was more like a 2 to 3 replacement (2 new pieces for every 3 pieces retired).

Logistics have improved tremendously. Larger staging areas have been built for long distance support while the more numerous smaller staging areas that could only support shorter distances are being abandoned.

All told, if taken into consideration a more modern but smaller force, I say the China Army combat effectiveness have not increased at all but remained the same with the Chengdu MR.

I was speaking less of total numbers available and more about numbers available close to the LAC. There are a lot more troops and hardware stationed within striking distance than earlier and the troops have had time to acclimatize as well. Number of acclimatized troops available close to the LAC was one of their weaknesses earlier. They have surmounted that at least to an extent. Tanks and artillery have also been moved closer. The IA is taking this very seriously from what I can see. I don't think the total numbers of armor available to WTC going down is really a problem. You are not going to see large scale armored thrusts in that terrain anyway. But localized employment will definitely be seen in case of an actual conflict and they have enough available for that.

[Double Edge]

That is a good question. if there are land grabs, why is the government and establishment silent, that is a good question, it would be in the government's favour to hype this up?

To answer this question requires a study of how past standoffs was concluded. What was agreed to make the Chinese withdraw.

With Doklam, we prevented them building that road to Jampheri ridge. They never got to complete it. What they did was reinforce positions in the rear by building infrastructure in the Doklam plateau. That is contested territory between China & Bhutan that seems to have acquiesced. After that they retreat.

If you allow them to build infrastructure in a contested area without destroying it then you are not in control of the area to begin with.

This is what happened in the Pangong area. They build a track during the Kargil conflict from fingers 8 to 4. They asphalted it in 2004. We did nothing. Continued with patrols up to finger 8 until one fine day they prevented us from doing so. Now people cry they have occupied our area. Is that true ?

The present standoff has yet to conclude so its an open question.

[Officer of Engineers]

I was speaking less of total numbers available and more about numbers available close to the LAC. There are a lot more troops and hardware stationed within striking distance than earlier and the troops have had time to acclimatize as well. Number of acclimatized troops available close to the LAC was one of their weaknesses earlier. They have surmounted that at least to an extent. Tanks and artillery have also been moved closer. The IA is taking this very seriously from what I can see. I don't think the total numbers of armor available to WTC going down is really a problem. You are not going to see large scale armored thrusts in that terrain anyway. But localized employment will definitely be seen in case of an actual conflict and they have enough available for that.

If the Galwan satellite pics are any example to go by, this will be a foot infantry fight. Line-of-sight is extremely limited, limiting the use of heavy artillery and restricting to light guns (mortars and 105s). Further more, I'm not impressed Chinese built up area so called machine gun nests. No fall back positions and absolutely zero cover. The Galwan pics showed me no avenue of advance that can be utilized by trucks, let alone armoured vehicles and that's on the Chinese side. With over a year since the last Sino-Indo stand-off, they've done zero work to help advance to the LAC. As a comparison, the Soviets built roads through Afghan mountains to support their armoured invasion of Afghanistan - IN WINTER!

Yes, I know there are agreements in place not to build up the area but for Pete sakes, move some bolders and fill in the pot holes.

And that is before the Indians can make life miserable on the Indian side of the LAC.

[Oracle]

Dumb politicians and their dumber ideas. So apparently they want the USAF to train Indian pilots on how to fly their Russian and French aircraft.

Japanese and Australian pilots already got training for their instructors when they bought their F-15's and F-18's.

Tactics of aerial warfare.

Machine is as good as the pilot flying it.

[Oracle]

Caught in crossfire, Indians in China battle a sense of guilt

Ordinary people on both sides will suffer.

[Oracle]

It's not FLG specific but anyone doing life behind bars (mind you it ain't that hard to get life sentences and that life sentence ain't going to be long).

Yeah, that explains why a third of your population have high blood pressure. My doc put me on a low sodium diet and a cardio program, aka poison and torture.

I have restricted my salt intake, and the Doc advised me to lose weight. I talked with a couple of gym owners, and then the Corona pandemic started. Everything closed. I am now thinking of buying some steel weights for home exercise, but no one's delivering. Also thinking of buying 2 double-coat German Shepherds. They are big dogs. They need exercise, so do I. My mom is against it, only I need to make up my mind. Had a male GSD before, so no issues having 2 GSD again. One thing I've noticed over the years is that, once I decide to do something, there comes numerous barriers from somewhere. God ain't happy with me, if there is one.

[Oracle]

And that's perfectly consistent with every other empire, and quite distinct from the Nazis. The German standard was that if you had even 1/4 Jewish ancestry (i.e. 1 Jewish grandparent), you were targeted for extermination. It wasn't a question of religion. Jews whose ancestors had converted to Christianity generations ago were put in the gas chambers. You may or may not know this, but Judaism isn't just a religion - it's also an ethnicity. The vast majority of Jews (90+%) have ancestors who originated in the area in which Israel stands today.

The Chinese targeting revolves around loyalty to the state and/or willingness to abandon what is considered a heterodox religion/belief system, not ancestry. At the moment, Muslims and Christians are being targeted. In time, Xi may move on to China's traditional religions - Taoism and Buddhism. The objective may be to ensure that China has only one state religion - party worship - and one living god - the leader of the moment.

The communists are sterilising ethnic Uighur women. Does that fit your description of the Nazis, or here too you'll argue about past semantics. Times change, worlds change, authoritarian rulers change. What doesn't change is bulldozing of peoples' rights, lives, faith, and their way to live. I call it Nazism of the modern era.