Border face-off: China and India each deploy 3,000 troops

[Officer of Engineers]

If China goes that far they will be all in. They will be more waves.

Yeah, 5 years between each wave.

[Officer of Engineers]

He seems to think the Aussie subs are dual use and there is no way to verify they won't carry nuke missiles

Way too easy. No missile tubes.

[Double Edge]

Yeah, 5 years between each wave.

Windows are April & September. Whatever can't be done within those months has to wait for the next window.

Thing is the first wave has to be decisive. Otherwise its a flop with political fallout for the leader who took the decision.

[Officer of Engineers]

Windows are April & September. Whatever can't be done within those months has to wait for the next window.

No, the Mainland has to wait for Taiwan to clear the garbage blocking any subsquent wave. You know, like sunk ships and dead bodies? Kinda hard to dig a fox hole when you can't get to shore or dig through bone and guts before you reach sand.

[Albany Rifles]

Way too easy. No missile tubes.

While a Tomahawk can be launched from the standard US submarine's 21 inch torpedo tubes you have to reduce to the number of Mk48 ADCAP torpedoes it can carry...which is what is wanted for Australia. The Tomahawks can have a dedicated suite of vertical launch tubes installed but I will ask this question...where is the RAN getting a nuke?

[Officer of Engineers]

While a Tomahawk can be launched from the standard US submarine's 21 inch torpedo tubes you have to reduce to the number of Mk48 ADCAP torpedoes it can carry...which is what is wanted for Australia. The Tomahawks can have a dedicated suite of vertical launch tubes installed but I will ask this question...where is the RAN getting a nuke?

Same place we all get them. The US. Nukes belong to the US. Missiles belong to Australia. Dual National Command Authority release required. You know. The good old days where your nuke techs have to put up with Canadian and German beer because we don't stock American beer.

[Double Edge]

No, the Mainland has to wait for Taiwan to clear the garbage blocking any subsquent wave. You know, like sunk ships and dead bodies? Kinda hard to dig a fox hole when you can't get to shore or dig through bone and guts before you reach sand.

China could blockade Taiwan. Nothing gets in or out. How many months can Taiwan last ? they are going to be going at this from all levels.

It's going to take a way bigger airlift than Berlin required to look after 23 million.

[Double Edge]

While a Tomahawk can be launched from the standard US submarine's 21 inch torpedo tubes you have to reduce to the number of Mk48 ADCAP torpedoes it can carry...which is what is wanted for Australia. The Tomahawks can have a dedicated suite of vertical launch tubes installed but I will ask this question...where is the RAN getting a nuke?

That CCP water boy isn't asking the question. He is taking it as given those Aussie subs could launch nukes.

The guy is a FUD & disinfo agent.

My arguments against are as follows. And it goes without saying without you guys and years on this board i would not be able to make them

- China has a nuke deterrence policy. They don't make nuke threats. Their doctrine is to deter nuke attacks on them. Deterrence is not warfighting.
- China has a NFU policy which this guy seems to have forgotten.
- China does not control Taiwan. It cannot use the nuke argument to occupy more land. Can't defend what you do not own in the first place.

[Officer of Engineers]

China could blockade Taiwan. Nothing gets in or out. How many months can Taiwan last ? they are going to be going at this from all levels.

It's going to take a way bigger airlift than Berlin required to look after 23 million.

China don't have the ships to do the blockading, especially the east side dof Taiwan. All fanboy talk. As we've all been stating. Amateurs talk strategy and tactics. Professionals talk logistics. Any ship must be at least 200 miles out from Taiwan or be within range of Taiwanese strike packages and that is assuming the RoCN don't venture out to destroy the blockades.

[Officer of Engineers]

That CCP water boy isn't asking the question. He is taking it as given those Aussie subs could launch nukes.

Pfft!!! Cut off Australian single malt supply and you see how fast the CCP backs down. The one thing keeping the CCP in power is rewarding the middle class. Deny the middle class their creature comforts and the wrath of karen soccer moms come bearing down.

[Albany Rifles]

Same place we all get them. The US. Nukes belong to the US. Missiles belong to Australia. Dual National Command Authority release required. You know. The good old days where your nuke techs have to put up with Canadian and German beer because we don't stock American beer.

I only got to guard them, Sir, not deliver.

But there were those MADM/SADM missions I ran...

[Officer of Engineers]

I only got to guard them, Sir, not deliver.

You have to guard Canadian and German beer? Couldn't help it. Too nice of a set up.

[Double Edge]

China don't have the ships to do the blockading, especially the east side dof Taiwan. All fanboy talk. As we've all been stating. Amateurs talk strategy and tactics. Professionals talk logistics. Any ship must be at least 200 miles out from Taiwan or be within range of Taiwanese strike packages and that is assuming the RoCN don't venture out to destroy the blockades.

You have got to be kidding me. They supposedly have the world's largest navy but not enough ships to blockade Taiwan ?

They have a lot of ships once you take their militias into account. They have subs to protect those ships.

And if the threat of danger is there which commercial ships are going to venture in ?

It will be a slow process though. Many months to take effect. THIS bit we are all banking on. If the Taiwanese can hold out then it gives the rest of us time to intervene should that decision be made.

But it achieves the first step of isolating the battlefield.

The thinking is unless they can control the SCS such a blockade isn't feasible. They're still a ways off from achieving that.

[Double Edge]

No, the Mainland has to wait for Taiwan to clear the garbage blocking any subsquent wave. You know, like sunk ships and dead bodies? Kinda hard to dig a fox hole when you can't get to shore or dig through bone and guts before you reach sand.

PLA tactics changed with Deng. The human wave tactics went away after Mao. Human wave is how poor armies operate.

After the Gulf wars, Chinese learnt the massing tactics of the 50s & 60s will no longer work against contemporary American or American trained armies.

It has to be informatised and networked.

This means there won't be a second wave. The first has to establish a beach head of sorts and the rest is reinforcements.

Do or die.

Here's an anecdote for you.

On a trip to China they got to ask one of the PLA officers whether China will take Taiwan.

The reply was we're not strong enough yet but when we are we will.

[Double Edge]

Pfft!!! Cut off Australian single malt supply and you see how fast the CCP backs down. The one thing keeping the CCP in power is rewarding the middle class. Deny the middle class their creature comforts and the wrath of karen soccer moms come bearing down.

Col. Newsham's ideas are to cut of China's access to dollars.

The next is their access to food. For such a populated country they don't grow enough to feed themselves.

Just 10% of China is arable. This is due to their earlier policies of building over fertile land.