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  • This is what is required to take the heights, not some magical Bollywood microwave.
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    • Originally posted by m a x View Post
      If it is fake, then how the Indian troops have been forced to retreat from the battleground

      dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8957019/China-used-secret-microwave-pulse-weapon-Indian-soldiers.html
      Obvious answer. The Indians did not retreat.

      Obviously, you have never taken a high school physics course. Did you even finish high school? Simple question. How many joules do you need to blast two mountains with microwaves?

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      • Originally posted by kuku View Post
        Poor guys have to deny this sort of fake news. Such a waste of time, is this newspaper an Australian tabloid? or have the Chinese infiltrated the Australian media scene?
        They're referencing the times which did the article

        So the Times of London found this story credible by their China correspondent

        While the US has also developed microwave-style weapons, China's alleged use of them may be the first against enemy troops anywhere in the world.

        Also envisioned for use in crowd control, the weapon works by heating the water under the skin to painful temperatures which force people out of the area.

        The sensation was once described in a medical journal as equivalent to touching a hot lightbulb. Overexposure to radiation can also cause headaches, nausea and vomiting.

        China's so-called Poly WB-1 was first put on display at an air show in 2014 and was thought to be supplied to Chinese naval forces.

        The tools are known as 'microwave' weapons because they have a similar effect to the type of oven, although technically the radiation is in the form of millimetre waves rather than microwaves.
        You'd have thought they would have used these on HK protesters. To scare away people.

        But all we saw was water cannons firing coloured water and those umbrellas.
        Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Nov 20,, 17:28.

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          How many joules do you need to blast two mountains with microwaves?
          Too many, the inverse square law is a real bitch

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          • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Obvious answer. The Indians did not retreat.
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            Who claims that? There are opposing statements from both sides, typical for warring nations. An unnamed army officer from India claims occupation of (a quote) „multiple Kailash range heights on the south bank of Pangong Tso-Chushul“. Which is not confirmed by any source to coincide with the battlepeaks referred by Jin Canrong. It is not possible to uphold the news is fake or not, based on solely such statements


            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            ... How many joules do you need to blast two mountains with microwaves?
            Do We have data of the weapon power Chinese used, either
            Last edited by m a x; 18 Nov 20,, 18:11.

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            • Originally posted by m a x View Post
              Who claims that?
              So far only the professor from Renmin University.

              Had anything like this happened the Indian opposition would have had a field day. They already make up shit that did not happen.


              Originally posted by m a x View Post
              There are opposing statements from both sides, typical for warring nations. An unnamed army officer from India claims occupation of (a quote) „multiple Kailash range heights on the south bank of Pangong Tso-Chushul“. Which is not confirmed by any source to coincide with the battlepeaks referred by Jin Canrong. It is not possible to uphold the news is fake or not, based on solely such statements
              The Chinese Defense ministry put out a statement that they were upset with what we did. So that is an acknowledgement of sorts. We also held a very public funeral for one of the Tibetan soldiers that took part in that op.

              The professor does acknowledge the hilltops were taken by the Indians.

              I think this story is for internal consumption. Will get mentioned in the China dailies

              Because the CCP looks bad. What do they have to show for after six months of their efforts.

              What are 50k PLA doing at the border for six months. Which genius thought it would be a good idea to launch this adventure in the middle of a pandemic.

              What happened to this might PLA. Why does India not back down and be cowed.

              If you want to get conspiratorial, the winners here are both militaries.

              Pandemic means budget cuts across the board. Before war biggest concern for any military is budget.

              Launch a little adventure and budget is assured


              Originally posted by m a x View Post
              Do We have data of the weapon power Chinese used, either
              Like a lot of Chinese weapons, where is the proof how effective.

              J20 and its successor must have NATO shaking in their boots by now otherwise.
              Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Nov 20,, 18:40.

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              • Originally posted by m a x View Post
                Do We have data of the weapon power Chinese used, either
                Don't need it. A 15 amp microwave oven can produce 1500 WATTS for 1 cubic foot. Go from there.

                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                Too many, the inverse square law is a real bitch
                Trying not to overwhelm the lad. Suffice to say nothing short of a nuke coulod deliver such power requirements in a deliverable package. But if you need a nuke to deliver such microwaves, why bother with the microwaves?
                Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 18 Nov 20,, 18:58.
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                • Looking for vids of Professor Jin Can Rong, he seems respectable spoken to a number of think tanks. Lowy, Tsinghua. Liked by the young.



                  If I was Chinese i'd believe what he said

                  His public wechat account is titled "political commissar" jin canrong

                  Seems like that is his channel or one created for him by his fans.

                  One comment in the video titled "Jin Canrong: China has absolute military superiority to crush India" sprang out

                  It is the best policy to surrender the soldiers without fighting, the middle policy to attack the city, and the lower policy to conquer the city.

                  The Chinese strategy is to wait for the heavy snow to close the mountain, and india , who has no supplies, cannot survive the six months of -40 degrees winter.

                  People and weapons are all over, and even if India's national resources are exhausted, there is no need to develop the economy and play to death.
                  We're ready
                  Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Nov 20,, 22:04.

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                  • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Don't need it. A 15 amp microwave oven can produce 1500 WATTS for 1 cubic foot. Go from there.

                    Trying not to overwhelm the lad. Suffice to say nothing short of a nuke coulod deliver such power requirements in a deliverable package. But if you need a nuke to deliver such microwaves, why bother with the microwaves?
                    You do that i think max has a head for numbers. He gets Benford's law so a little bit of theory and he will explain it to us
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 18 Nov 20,, 21:22.

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                    • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      You do that i think max has a head for numbers. He gets Benford's law so a little bit of theory and he will explain it to us
                      I could so screw with that that it was so fun with 2nd year University Math Students. Do everything in binary and at least half of the number theories disappear. You could see their heads spin at that little piece of reality.
                      Chimo

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                      • The claim for an effective use of microwave weapon against people on a battlefield is atrocious in itself. We are looking for to verify whether it has really happened. There is nothing publicly known for specific conditions, proximity and etc.
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                        • Originally posted by m a x View Post
                          The claim for an effective use of microwave weapon against people on a battlefield is atrocious in itself. We are looking for to verify whether it has really happened. There is nothing publicly known for specific conditions, proximity and etc.
                          You really have a problem putting 2 and 2 together.

                          Take a hint. It didn't happen. This is a bullshit story. Fake news.
                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            Looking for vids of Professor Jin Can Rong, he seems respectable spoken to a number of think tanks. Lowy, Tsinghua. Liked by the young.



                            If I was Chinese i'd believe what he said

                            His public wechat account is titled "political commissar" jin canrong

                            Seems like that is his channel or one created for him by his fans.

                            One comment in the video titled "Jin Canrong: China has absolute military superiority to crush India" sprang out

                            We're ready
                            Wow this guy's knows nothing of the area.

                            Both sides have all the supplies they need.

                            Apparently the winter in laddakh is more about cold and altitude than the snow.

                            PRC will force India to spend the winter deployment and then check out attitude.

                            From the look of things PRCs plan for coercive use of force have faced utter failure.

                            Thus childish hope of winters helping their coercive plans needs to be played out before we give them a face saving retreat.

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                            • Originally posted by kuku View Post

                              Wow this guy's knows nothing of the area.

                              Both sides have all the supplies they need.

                              Apparently the winter in laddakh is more about cold and altitude than the snow.

                              PRC will force India to spend the winter deployment and then check out attitude.

                              From the look of things PRCs plan for coercive use of force have faced utter failure.

                              Thus childish hope of winters helping their coercive plans needs to be played out before we give them a face saving retreat.

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                              It was a user comment I noticed under the second video. Could not make out much of what he said but the comments can be translated.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 19 Nov 20,, 08:33.

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                              • The Chinese and Pakistanis have this strange delusion that we Indians are warm climate people.
                                Our military is consistently training for high altitude warfare and is very good at carrying out very fast and daring maneuvers in treacherous mountainous terrain. also have a huge pool of people to recruit from who are well suited for high altitude life for 1000s of years.
                                The last place they want to fight us is in high and cold places.

                                Even with the shitty economy right now and predicted in near future we are capable of procuring the bombs and guns we need, unlike the 50s and 60s where the choice was either to buy food or weapons.

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