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Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostNever smelled pig urine either, did you. Every year, farmers used pig urine and manure to fertilze their fields. Every year, Ottawa complains of the smell drifting in from the farmlands. You can patrol the route but you also want to get the hell out of there real fast.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostWe did. It was called the Cold War.
The way the anchor framed the question, if we do x,y we will become a front line state implies we don't think we are one yet.
If you have 5 PLA divisions on your doorstep then what are we ?
Here's a line from Rishabh
In sheer military terms, the only people who have actually stood up, faced them down, fought them off and done reciprocal and proportionate action is India.
See what Oracle says...
Originally posted by Oracle View PostThey did. We'll not fight America's war. That is abundantly clear for the past 7 decades. We'll try to absorb some of the supply chains, US MNCs have in China and want to diversify. Even though we're in the Quad, India keeps repeating that Quad is not against any country. America has the means and can win this fight against China, they don't need our help, and frankly we can't help much other than amassing troops on our Northern-NE border. Now, if US needs an excuse, and the CPC is stupid enough to give them one, the PLA will start a war with India/Taiwan etc. I don't comfort any positive thoughts from the communists though.
For China -- India, Australia & Japan have no agency and are just doing America's bidding.
Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
Obviously, it was at American insistence that the PLA move into Galwan. It was under American orders that the altercation at Galwan took place resulting in the loss of life for Indian soldiers
This was all the handiwork of Trump & Pompeo
The US stands accused of violating the norms of international relations and basic principles of diplomacy
The govt can't come out and say it because they will get slammed for making us one. Did they ?
All through these past years they asserted Indian sovereignty. We loudly supported and cheered them on.
If I say we are a front line state i will get called either a warmonger, an American agent or a salesman for the American military industrial complex.
We're either not aware or unwilling to accept we are a front line state !!Last edited by Double Edge; 02 Nov 20,, 23:38.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostHere's a line from RishabhChimo
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This fight is not over inconsequential rocks. It might seem that way but it matters where those "rocks" are and what advantage can be obtained by the Chinese if they control them. If getting access to those rocks allows the Chinese to threaten vital logistical nodes and supply lines, then it is important to make sure that does not happen. Otherwise we could have used the same logic to let the Pakistanis keep the Kargil heights as well. They were also just "rocks" after all.
If the Chinese could have captured the heights south of Pangong Tso, Chushul and the DSDBO road would be under direct threat. And if that can be interdicted or captured, Indian troops at DBO, Depsang and surrounding areas could be cut off and those areas lost. No different than when the Srinagar-Leh highway was under threat during the Kargil war. And unlike before, with the current build up, the Chinese do actually have enough forces in the region to at least attempt something like this. The IA's subsequent heavy deployment in the region and unprecedented preparations to keep the troops supplied through the winter are to deter such an action. They learned their lesson after Kargil. It may be expensive in monetary terms now but we will avoid paying the price in lives later.Last edited by Firestorm; 02 Nov 20,, 22:55.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostThis fight is not over inconsequential rocks. It might seem that way but it matters where those "rocks" are and what advantage can be obtained by the Chinese if they control them. If getting access to those rocks allows the Chinese to threaten vital logistical nodes and supply lines, then it is important to make sure that does not happen.
Again, using the Sino-Soviet border example, the Chinese did not give Moscow 100 miles of territory. That 100 miles was vital to hopefully stretch the Soviet Army LOCs to the breaking point.
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostOtherwise we could have used the same logic to let the Pakistanis keep the Kargil heights as well. They were also just "rocks" after all.
The primary axiom of maneuver warfare is force on weak, not force on strong. The PRIMARY aim of Deep Battle is to destroy the reserves, NOT the main force. By that regard, I could not be bothered about what front line Chinese troops are doing. I'd be thinking where is their CP/HQ (and hence where their reserves are) and how do I get to it.
Pick your battles. A brawl ain't it.Chimo
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^ Logistics again. Hmmmm!
China is a resourceful country. Even if the IAF destroys (hypothetically) Chinese CP/HQ, they would be up in no time. On top of that air-defence. Unless we have men on the ground that can stop the PLA in resuming their supply chains, this won't achieve any objective.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Oracle View Post^ Logistics again. Hmmmm!
China is a resourceful country. Even if the IAF destroys (hypothetically) Chinese CP/HQ, they would be up in no time. On top of that air-defence. Unless we have men on the ground that can stop the PLA in resuming their supply chains, this won't achieve any objective.
What the Colonel says works only if we develop an offensive mindset.
How's that mountain strike corps coming along. When will we complete it. Will we raise more.
Time to move to Offensive Defense from Defensive OffenseLast edited by Double Edge; 03 Nov 20,, 15:19.
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