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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Look at Deng's China. There is absolutely zero question that she would lose and lose big in a fight against the USSR/Russia. Did she start a fight with Moscow? Did she even attempted to militarily challenge Soviet/Russian border claims? Did she answer with firepower against Soviet border violations?

    Now, did she bow down to Moscow? Where she can fight (Vietnam), she did fight. Where she can challenge (arms supply to Mujahadeen including man portable SAM and RPG), she did challenge.

    Did Soviet/Russian armies take Lop Nor? While the Chinese would undoubtly lose the fight and lose big, there was also absolutely no doubt that Deng was going to fight and fight hard. Seeing the trouble they had in Afghanistan against an unorganized resistance, very few in Moscow could have stomache the blood needed to win against Deng.

    So how long ago was Deng's China? And what is the Sino-Russo border today?
    So, in an Indian context vis-a-vis PRC, you mean - 'hide your strength, bide your time'.
    Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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    • India, US ink strategic defence pact BECA; Mike Pompeo slams Chinese Communist Party

      Stop sowing discord between China, regional countries: Beijing on Pompeo's visit to India

      Oops, guilty.
      Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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      • Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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        • At the end, Pompeo compares conditions of Uighurs to that in Nazi Germany. KickAss dude!
          Last edited by Oracle; 27 Oct 20,, 15:37.
          Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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          • In discussing the "one china" policy, some one mentioned the UNGA resolution 2758 and said to discontinue the one china policy was tantamount to defying the UN.

            Is this true ?

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            • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
              At the end, Pompeo compares conditions of Uighurs to that in Nazi Germany.
              Didn't need Pompeo to tell you that. You first read it here

              Take a bow tbm3fan

              Heard his Nixon library speech ?

              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
              KickAss dude!
              Articulate and all around awesome guy.

              I'll miss him
              Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Oct 20,, 19:41.

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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

                Didn't need Pompeo to tell you that. You first read it here

                Take a bow tbm3fan

                Heard his Nixon library speech ?
                Heh! I've been saying the same thing for 15 years now. Pompeo's Nixon speech is going to be repeated every time US talks about China. This policy will not change with the change in administration, hopefully.

                Articulate and all around awesome guy.

                I'll miss him
                Don't be too sure. He might as well stay for another 4 years.
                Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                • Originally posted by Oracle View Post

                  So, in an Indian context vis-a-vis PRC, you mean - 'hide your strength, bide your time'.
                  And don't sweat the small stuff, ie rocks. The Chinese were prepared to give 100 miles to the Soviets.
                  Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 28 Oct 20,, 02:24.
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                  • Indian objectives along the border with PRC seem to be to stop PLA from being used as a coercive force against it and to keep the current borders as they are. For this not only denying a military victory but denying a propaganda victory may also be necessary. This is a very difficult terrain, with the current and planned Indian military forces, for PRC a military or propaganda victory doesn't seem to be a possibility.
                    In the larger context given the recent events working with allies and directly interacting with the neighbourhood to deny PRC any traction seems to be going on, for example, the ongoing developments in the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar etc. If this continues how will PRC counter a diplomatic alliance of US-Canada-Australia-UK-Japan working with their seasonal and regional allies? diplomatic change in opinions of nations with friendly or neutral ties with PRC will start happening soon, seems too tough a task for PRC in the current situation, it may be better for them to let things cool down and keep working on this silently.

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                    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      DE, 4 foundational agreements, of which the last, that is 4th, BECA is assumed to be signed later this year during the 2+2 dialogue. The first one, GSOMIA was signed in 2002, LEMOA was signed in 2016, COMCASA was signed in 2018. All these agreements have tweaks in them that are India specific.

                      Rumor has it that India wants to lease 2 drones (without missiles) for reconnaissance of the IOR, and also plans to finally buy 30 armed ones.
                      See the dates, all four foundational agreements done only during an NDA govt.

                      The left made it impossible to sign anything with the Americans.

                      These agreements were portrayed as onerous and constraining to strategic autonomy but the reality is each one of them has been painstakingly negotiated and customised for India keeping those sentiments in mind.

                      None of the left's arguments apply yet still I keep hearing the same tropes.

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                      • Some more about CCP's reactions.



                        Just so we're clear "Asian NATO" is a Chinese term

                        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                        They belly yap about anything anti-China but that doesn't mean that they consider QUAD a military threat.
                        Since they complain about everything it makes it harder to figure out what really matters to them and at the same time acts as a constant reminder to the world to be careful.

                        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                        The JSDF and the ADF have exactly zero plans to come to India's border disputes with China and China knows it.
                        For now that is India's choice.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Oct 20,, 08:53.

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                        • The diplomatic power of the QUAD is a concern for China, especially in the Indo Pacific context.
                          Going through the Diplomatic news section of PRC's English propaganda websites, it is quite obvious that a co-ordinated effort from the QUAD in the region will negate PRC's recent gains.
                          Sri-Lanka as an example will find it increasingly tough to remain friendly towards PRC in the face of consistent diplomatic steps from the QUAD, without a single Japanese or Australian ship showing up.
                          Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar, Indonesia, Philippines... the list is long.
                          Last edited by kuku; 28 Oct 20,, 08:52.

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                          • The message given by US of time to choose sides is a very important message, any sanctions on Sri Lanka can offset any loans from PRC by a huge margin.
                            The most common destination for the exports of Sri Lanka are United States ($2.69B), India ($865M), Germany ($823M), United Kingdom ($809M), and Italy ($495M).
                            https://oec.world/en/profile/country/lka

                            And at the same time, increasing trade with QUAD and other friendly nations is far easier than increasing trade with PRC and its states.
                            Last edited by kuku; 28 Oct 20,, 09:21.

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                            • Statement of the Chinese Embassy in India solemnly refuting China-related false allegations of US senior officials during their visit to India:

                              It is known to all that China has been unswervingly committed to peaceful development and developed friendly cooperation with our neighbors based on mutual respect. China has always upheld multilateralism and remained committed to maintaining an international system with the United Nations at its core and an international order based on international law. China resolutely opposes behaviour of engaging in unilateralism and bullying. By hyping up the so-called "China threat",the US is in fact making pretexts for maintaining its global hegemony and containing China's development.

                              The "Indo-Pacific strategy" proposed by the US is to stir up confrontation among different groups and blocs and to stoke geopolitical competition, in a bid to maintain the dominance of the US, organize closed and exclusive ideological cliques. The difficulties and challenges facing the world could only be coped with when all people join hands and pull together. Peaceful development and win-win cooperation are the only right path forward.

                              China has been advocating that the development of bilateral relations between countries should be conducive to regional peace, stability and development, and not infringe upon the legitimate rights and interests of a third party. The boundary question is a bilateral matter between China and India. The two sides have been discussing disengagement and deescalation in the border areas through diplomatic and military channels. China and India have the wisdom and ability to handle their differences properly. There's no space for a third party to intervene.

                              We urge the US side to respect facts and truth, abandon the Cold War and the zero-sum mentality, stop hyping up the so-called "China threat", and stop the wrong actions that undermine regional peace and stability.
                              http://in.china-embassy.org/eng/

                              PRC is worried about India, worried about Indian shift to US, and the QUAD, the response from PRC was however self-defeating, pushing them together.
                              PRC also keeps up the lies, the facts as they stand are that they broke all existing agreements with India, forced a military escalation, and are now going to have a 100,000 men freeze their balls off for no reasons.
                              Just like they built Islands on the sea and forcefully took land against all international rules and norms.

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                              • By hyping up the so-called "China threat",the US is in fact making pretexts for maintaining its global hegemony and containing China's development.
                                Obviously, it was at American insistence that the PLA move into Galwan. It was under American orders that the altercation at Galwan took place resulting in the loss of life for Indian soldiers

                                This was all the handiwork of Trump & Pompeo

                                The US stands accused of violating the norms of international relations and basic principles of diplomacy



                                I keep seeing these jokers make one mistake after the other and must some how believe there is a method to the madness, they are far sighted and are about to spring something devastatingly brilliant upon us



                                What does the Chinese ambassador to India file in his reports back to China ?

                                How does he communicate that they are failing in their objectives without losing his job.

                                HE DOESN'T !!
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Oct 20,, 21:11.

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