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  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Nitin's update on the state of roads in Arunachal

    The black and orange side roads have come up since 2008. Prior to that they were not blacktopped so got muddy in the rain.

    The Dalai Lama entered India in 1959 and took the Tawang - Bhalokpung route to arrive in Tezpur.

    Nitin thinks that route should be called the Dalai Lama Highway : )

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    It's as a result of these roads China makes its latest claim to an area in Bhutan near the Sakteng sanctuary

    The joke is the area isn't even contiguous with the present Chinese border but is rather further south and borders Arunachal.

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    So India is propsing to build a road through this area China claims that will link Gauhati with Tawang by going through Bhutan via Trashigang

    India wants to build a road through Bhutan's 'Yeti Territory' to counter China's expansionist moves | DH | Jul 08 2020

    Thing is we've wanted to do this for the last ten years but have not got the green light from Bhutan as yet, going by the ten yr old HT article below

    Road through yeti territory excites locals | HT | Nov 29 2010
    Time to revisit this post by Nitin. We can reach Tawang.

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    And a couple of Shiv's videos



    They're not bringing anything mechanised through the fishtails or asaphila - tootung. Their presence seems mostly concentrated near Lhasa which is north of Tawang.

    I don't see any roads in the east leading to the fishtails here. Just to Walong and near where the Siang enters India only.


    Last edited by Double Edge; 16 Sep 20,, 23:49.

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    • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
      Without any opposition he can now show his other side

      Talks and terror don't go together

      Neither does business and death.

      Free hand to the forces.
      So, what have we done to Pakistan? Our water commisson still talks to them, diplomatic channels are open, Paks are getting visas even now. So, what changed? Nothing. And nothing will change w.r.t China. We're a nation of political loudmouths.

      Why can't we give a statement that unless PRC vacates Aksai Chin & Shaksgam valley and all occupied lands, we won't talk to them, and we're ready to fight?

      Mate nuke missiles with warheads, and keep them on standby. If we have to go down, we take all of them down, including their terrorist son Pakistan. Can China risk, or, will China risk Beijing, Shanghai etc to win this war? Fcuk no. We have learnt nothing from history.
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      • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
        Every year this time, late monsoon destroys tomato and onions crops in India. Result, prices skyrocket. Every damn year. How many years does it take to build cold storages in every state, every district? How about electricity, 24 hours, all through the year. Am I asking too much?
        Onions would benefit. Could be kept for 8 months.

        If ice packs are used it could cut down on electricity use.

        I'm toying with making long lasting ones.

        According that guy's experiments.

        Water, Hydrogel polymer and propylene glycol work best.

        He's using them to keep his fishing bait which he launches with a cannon into the N.Carolina bay

        Last edited by Double Edge; 16 Sep 20,, 16:19.

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        • Originally posted by Oracle View Post

          So, what have we done to Pakistan? Our water commisson still talks to them, diplomatic channels are open, Paks are getting visas even now. So, what changed? Nothing. And nothing will change w.r.t China. We're a nation of political loudmouths.
          Our reaction

          370 & Balakote not count ?

          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          Why can't we give a statement that unless PRC vacates Aksai Chin & Shaksgam valley and all occupied lands, we won't talk to them, and we're ready to fight?

          Mate nuke missiles with warheads, and keep them on standby. If we have to go down, we take all of them down, including their terrorist son Pakistan. Can China risk, or, will China risk Beijing, Shanghai etc to win this war? Fcuk no. We have learnt nothing from history.
          For now we have this


          NSA Ajit Doval walks out of SCO meet over Pakistan map showing J&K as its territory | IE | Sept 16 2020

          NSA Ajit Doval walked out of the virtual meeting after Pakistan's representative Dr Moeed Yusuf projected in the background the new political map of the country that depicts Jammu and Kashmir as a disputed territory
          Moeed Yusuf is in the same meet as Doval ?!?

          Just learnt he's special assistant to Imran on National Security these days (!)
          Last edited by Double Edge; 16 Sep 20,, 21:22.

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          • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            ^ We command vantage points in Arunachal, and by now, whatever we didn't command, has been taken over. This I can say with 100% certainty, without any official press release, else we deserve losing Arunachal.
            I'm not sure i fully understand what you're saying but when you cross the Chinese border into AP the land goes downhill.

            Yarlung becomes Siang becomes Brahmaputra.

            Now, to enter India they have to come along weaving routes.

            This time we are not short of guns, big guns or bullets

            Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            Right Wing !== Modi/BJP,
            Going by the economic policies they have implemented that much is clear

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            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

              Our reaction

              370 & Balakote not count ?
              370 is a welcome step, but Balakote? Seriously? We should have bombed PA's brigade headquarters for the killing of 40+ CRPF personnel. Killing terrorists doesn't send any message to the establishment of Pakistan. Killing PA would.

              For now we have this


              NSA Ajit Doval walks out of SCO meet over Pakistan map showing J&K as its territory | IE | Sept 16 2020

              Moeed Yusuf is in the same meet as Doval ?!?

              Just learnt he's special assistant to Imran on National Security these days (!)
              Thought you knew Moeed was in Pakistan, doing the PA's bidding. Changing maps, trolling the Indian NSA doesn't mean anything. For 70+ years they had a dream of taking Kashmir. They lost Bangladesh in this process. Pakistan stands to lose more.
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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                I'm not sure i fully understand what you're saying but when you cross the Chinese border into AP the land goes downhill.

                Yarlung becomes Siang becomes Brahmaputra.

                Now, to enter India they have to come along weaving routes.

                This time we are not short of guns, big guns or bullets


                Going by the economic policies they have implemented that much is clear
                You understood it right. We command those heights.

                Now, LAC face-off: Disengagement onus on India, says China
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                • China puts up loudspeakers at Finger 4, play Punjabi songs for Indian troops!

                  Ladakh: Unnerving silence as China dithers on military talks, troops hold positions
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                    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post

                      You understood it right. We command those heights.
                      We are not on the heights in AP. They are on entry. Our job is to stop their advance

                      If it follows the same pattern of build up as in Ladakh then things will become more clear

                      oh we must move back now. HAH!

                      No dice

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                      • Originally posted by Oracle View Post

                        370 is a welcome step, but Balakote? Seriously? We should have bombed PA's brigade headquarters for the killing of 40+ CRPF personnel. Killing terrorists doesn't send any message to the establishment of Pakistan. Killing PA would.
                        They got the message don't you think

                        it's also de-escalatory.

                        Pre-emptive non-military strike we said. People did think we were being overly cautious.

                        Remember the objectives, as Hooda said, go after their morale and show them the PA can't protect them.

                        Same plan as the one in 2016.

                        Maybe next time we go further

                        Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                        Thought you knew Moeed was in Pakistan, doing the PA's bidding. Changing maps, trolling the Indian NSA doesn't mean anything. For 70+ years they had a dream of taking Kashmir. They lost Bangladesh in this process. Pakistan stands to lose more.
                        Didn't expect he would share the same stage as Doval

                        Moeed is the the Pak NSA ? Kinda young for the job !

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...isor_(Pakistan)
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Sep 20,, 01:05.

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                        • Bhutanese have to deal with PLA on two sides. Western side Indian troops are with them but they are on their own on the other side.

                          They take them some booze, cigs and food. Keeps relations calm. They think those troops are corrupt and like to be corrupted.

                          Gives time to prepare for something. What ?

                          Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Sep 20,, 01:12.

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                          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

                            We are not on the heights in AP. They are on entry. Our job is to stop their advance

                            If it follows the same pattern of build up as in Ladakh then things will become more clear
                            Whoever told you that is untrue. The first thing to do during hostilities is to take over commanding heights.
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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              They got the message don't you think

                              it's also de-escalatory.

                              Pre-emptive non-military strike we said. People did think we were being overly cautious.

                              Remember the objectives, as Hooda said, go after their morale and show them the PA can't protect them.

                              Same plan as the one in 2016.

                              Maybe next time we go further
                              Pakistan has an unlimited number of uneducated, drug addicts, which they churn into islamic jihadis. Churning won't stop, unless churn masters are obliterated.

                              Didn't expect he would share the same stage as Doval

                              Moeed is the the Pak NSA ? Kinda young for the job !

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...isor_(Pakistan)
                              It's good. Hack was in US, now in Pakistan for some Pakistani rupees. He leaves Pakistan, as soon as war breaks out. Typical of Pakistanis to run away from a fight.
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                              • Originally posted by Oracle View Post

                                Whoever told you that is untrue. The first thing to do during hostilities is to take over commanding heights.
                                Shiv's second video above says the PLA camp is at 4,300m and the Bum La post is at 4,600 m

                                Fine. Not much height there.

                                There are no Chinese roads leading to the fishtails according to Shiv's videos so i'm wondering what's going on there.

                                It's a long trek to the fishtails as well. You could send a few hundred guys there i guess who will be met by their counterparts on our side

                                Not much surprise there then.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 17 Sep 20,, 02:04.

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