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    Do right-wingers in Japan seriously believe in stuff like this?

    Abe Denies Japan Invaded Asian Neighbors

    In a further lurch to the far right, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told lawmakers on Tuesday that he does not believe Japan's occupation of other Asian countries during World War II can be considered "invasions."

    Abe claimed there are no set international or academic definitions of the word. "It depends on the point of view of individual countries," he said, referring to a statement in 1995 by then-Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama, which apologized to all Asian victims of Japanese aggression and from which rightwingers are scrambling to distance themselves.

    Japan occupied Korea from 1910 to 1945 and invaded China and several Southeast Asian nations during an aggressive expansion to create what was billed as the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

    Experts here slammed Abe's remarks. Ko Sang-tu at Yonsei University said, "That is simply absurd. It's like saying Hitler's invasion of Poland wasn't really an invasion. If a German chancellor had said the same thing, he or she would have had to resign."

    Abe told lawmakers on Monday that he does not feel bound by the Murayama statement. The global press was alarmed, with the New York Times saying he sought to whitewash his country's World War II atrocities, while the Economist warned that the right-leaning Japanese Cabinet is a bad sign for the region.

    Abe said Japan's pacifist constitution was put together by what he called "occupying forces," referring to the victorious U.S. at the end of the war.

    The constitution, which stipulates the country's desire for peace and pledges a policy of non-aggression, effectively "entrusted the lives and safety of the public to the goodwill of other countries," he claimed.

    This suggests he is throwing his weight behind moves from the far right to revise the constitution so the Japanese military can launch pre-emptive strikes abroad.

    On Monday, Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso and other Japanese politicians visited Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine, which houses the remains of Japan's war dead including convicted war criminals. On Tuesday, 168 members of the Diet followed suit, the biggest number of lawmakers since 1989.

    The Japanese media were critical of the stunt. The Asahi Shimbun urged cabinet members to exercise "restraint" in speech as well as action, while the Mainichi Shimbun warned Japan's "national interests are at risk" if such strain is put on cooperation with China and South Korea in trying to rein in North Korea.
    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...042401169.html

  • #2
    Their house. Their rules. Our house. Our rules. Pearl Harbour. Hong Kong. Those were invasions. Don't like it? Don't come.

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    • #3
      The regional presidents of the major Japanese industrial concerns in Asia hate him right now....

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      • #4
        It's as if he's being paid by the vast CCP conspiracy to set the political ground for the Beijing-Seoul axis that plagues the nightmares of a certain hack based out of Taipei...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Skywatcher View Post
          It's as if he's being paid by the vast CCP conspiracy to set the political ground for the Beijing-Seoul axis that plagues the nightmares of a certain hack based out of Taipei...
          Funny, I was thinking just how pleased Beijing would be with this. Gives them another distraction for the masses while making regional co-operation against Beijing that bit harder. Japan making friends with everybody & spreading its military wings is one of the bigger potential impediments to Chinese regional ambitions.
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          • #6
            That's hilarious. I wonder what the reaction would be if a German Chancellor denied WW2.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
              Funny, I was thinking just how pleased Beijing would be with this. Gives them another distraction for the masses while making regional co-operation against Beijing that bit harder. Japan making friends with everybody & spreading its military wings is one of the bigger potential impediments to Chinese regional ambitions.
              It's an interesting dynamic. If you look at a high majority of the regional players, they might have some disagreeable history with the japanese, but they don't see them using their military power to apply leverage. OTOH the mistrust of chinas build up, and her prev attempts to leverage soft power, divide and conquer ASEAN on the Spratlys/Paracels etc is driving all those regionals back into the arms of the americans and even a willingness to play with the japanese. Quite extraordinary when you consider that some who were blatantly hostile to the Japanese even a few years ago now want to engage in military exercises with them and are keenly waiting for the japanese to formerly change their position on weapons systems exports.

              when the chinese threaten the regionals they imply loss of trade, when the japanese give money all they want are whaling votes :)
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              • #8
                Wait, how is Japan's UNSC push going? Where is my seat?

                If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would go the full mile. These countries paid Abe to do this:

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                Notice that Pakistan is on the list, the Taliban are happy now.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gf0012-aust View Post
                  It's an interesting dynamic. If you look at a high majority of the regional players, they might have some disagreeable history with the japanese, but they don't see them using their military power to apply leverage. OTOH the mistrust of chinas build up, and her prev attempts to leverage soft power, divide and conquer ASEAN on the Spratlys/Paracels etc is driving all those regionals back into the arms of the americans and even a willingness to play with the japanese. Quite extraordinary when you consider that some who were blatantly hostile to the Japanese even a few years ago now want to engage in military exercises with them and are keenly waiting for the japanese to formerly change their position on weapons systems exports.

                  when the chinese threaten the regionals they imply loss of trade, when the japanese give money all they want are whaling votes :)
                  I imagine that the lesser evil will ultimately be plumped for, but this kind of rhetoric gives those trying to facilitate greater co-operation unwanted headaches.
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                  • #10
                    BBC News - Japan WWII 'comfort women' were 'necessary' - Hashimoto

                    Japan WWII 'comfort women' were 'necessary' - Hashimoto

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cdude View Post
                      That's hilarious. I wonder what the reaction would be if a German Chancellor denied WW2.
                      I've often wondered about the dynamics in these two countries (Japan & Germany) post WW2.

                      Germans criminalise any support for ww2 actions whereas in Japan its actually often & still exploited by leaders for domestic (and international ?) gain.

                      This suggests he is throwing his weight behind moves from the far right to revise the constitution so the Japanese military can launch pre-emptive strikes abroad.
                      This bit is interesting, does any body know how far abroad the Japanese military can deploy at present ?
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 14 May 13,, 15:05.

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                      • #12
                        Nationalism rearing ugly head with greater frequency | The Japan Times

                        Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has voiced concern over a further spread of race-based invectives, saying it runs counter to Japanese people’s traditional pursuit of tolerance and harmony with others.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cdude View Post
                          Nationalism rearing ugly head with greater frequency | The Japan Times

                          Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has voiced concern over a further spread of race-based invectives, saying it runs counter to Japanese people’s traditional pursuit of tolerance and harmony with others.
                          The problem with Abe is that every other day, he gets out of bed and thinks that he can actually control the Neo Nazis somehow, thus violating Lovecraft's first law of conjuring demonic forces.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            I've often wondered about the dynamics in these two countries (Japan & Germany) post WW2.

                            Germans criminalise any support for ww2 actions whereas in Japan its actually often & still exploited by leaders for domestic (and international ?) gain.

                            This bit is interesting, does any body know how far abroad the Japanese military can deploy at present ?
                            Simple answer, IMHO, Japan never had a bitter lesson of got divided unlike Germany.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gf0012-aust View Post
                              It's an interesting dynamic. If you look at a high majority of the regional players, they might have some disagreeable history with the japanese, but they don't see them using their military power to apply leverage. OTOH the mistrust of chinas build up, and her prev attempts to leverage soft power, divide and conquer ASEAN on the Spratlys/Paracels etc is driving all those regionals back into the arms of the americans and even a willingness to play with the japanese. Quite extraordinary when you consider that some who were blatantly hostile to the Japanese even a few years ago now want to engage in military exercises with them and are keenly waiting for the japanese to formerly change their position on weapons systems exports.

                              when the chinese threaten the regionals they imply loss of trade, when the japanese give money all they want are whaling votes :)
                              My wife's mother died hating the Japanese. But, that generation of Vietnamese has died off. Now days, Japan and the Japanese are quite popular in Viet Nam. Oddly enough Viet Nam exports Honda motorcycles to Japan

                              Vietnam to become the world

                              "Honda motorbikes exported to Japan
                              The website of the Japanese motorbike manufacturer in late August showed a piece of news that SH Mode made by Honda Vietnam would be available in Japan from September 13. This would be the second motorbike model of Honda Vietnam to be sold in Japan in 2013.
                              It is expected that some 3,000 SH Modes would be consumed in the market every year.
                              Prior to that, in March 2013, when launching Lead 125 into the market, Honda Vietnam also stated that it would export the products to Japan, where it hoped to sell 12,000 products every year."

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