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  • #16
    Originally posted by AdityaMookerjee View Post
    The military options seem to be very elaborate.
    Actually, they are behind the times.

    Originally posted by AdityaMookerjee View Post
    Isn't it a waste of resources? If the Chinese military are building up, for their own sake, then I guess one can say nothing on the matter. If one looks at the situation, what is the People's Liberation Army around for?
    To defend the CCP.

    Originally posted by AdityaMookerjee View Post
    There are no threats to her sovereignty, either from internal, or external sources. Perhaps, because the nation is so large, she needs the armed forces in close proximity to every border.
    Are you freaking serious? The last time China had a weak army, she got invaded by Japan.


    • #17
      Chinese Minister of National Defense said on Tuesday it had reduced the country's military reserves forces from 600,000 to 510,000 men and women over the past five years.

      China has also reduced the number of people in its militias from 10 million to eight million during the same period, said Gen. Liang Guanglie in an interview with Xinhua.

      It is the first time the Chinese government has given the exact number of people in the reserve forces and militias. In times of emergencies, the reserve forces and militias can be ordered to assist China's 2.3-million regular troops, the People's Liberation Army (PLA).

      Although China has experienced around 30 years of peace, Gen. Liang said the PLA has never relaxed its military preparations and vigilance especially at a time when "regional military conflicts can not be ruled out."

      In times of peace, the PLA's reserves conduct regular military training and participate in non-combat military operations, such as disaster relief work.

      The minister said the PLA had pushed forward military reforms in the past five years to build a more powerful military with upgraded weapon systems and high-quality personnel.

      Currently, 80 percent of the PLA's officers have four years of higher education compared with 25.8 percent in 1998, Gen. Liang said.

      To improve the quality of military personnel, the Chinese government has encouraged university graduates to join the armed forces since 2009. More than 100,000 college graduates gained their uniforms in 2010.

      In the past five years, China has dispatched more than 13,000 United Nations-commissioned peacekeepers to carry out 13 U.N. missions around the world, according to Liang.

      The PLA also sent professional units to Haiti, Pakistan and other countries and regions for disaster relief efforts and to give medical aids and other humanitarian relief, he said.
      DM: China Has 510,000 in Military Reserves
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        Actually, they are behind the times.
        Beijing probably realized just how high the price tag is if you want to maintain a military much like what the US has. Surely they do not want to end up like the Soviet Union - which collapsed as a result of all that Cold War military spending.

        To defend the CCP.
        I thought that was the job of the People's Armed Police - at least through their immediate task of enforcing public order in high-risk situations.

        Are you freaking serious? The last time China had a weak army, she got invaded by Japan.
        True, 100%. Lucky for the Allies in WW2; had China fought for the Japanese side, WW2 would've taken longer to finish and China's industrial might would've allowed Japan to sustain a war effort on the same scale as the Americans. An "Arsenal of Tyranny", as it would've been termed in 1940's America.


        • #19
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          • #20
            w.r.t light General Zhang Yang, another 42nd Group Army boys at the top.... must be nice to have your ticket punched by one of those "Taiwan" units.
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            • #21
              Actually, quite a broad spread across key Group Armies, and some guys who stayed put for decades:

              Fan Changlong is a life-long 16th GA (Shenyang MR) man. Lots of interesting guys on his Facebook contacts list: Li Desheng, Xu Caihou, Fu Kuiqing, Liu Jingsong, Wang Ke, Li Xinliang, Liang Guanglie, Liu Zhenhua.

              Fang Fenghui (21st GA, Lanzhou MR, 1968-Dec 2003)

              Zhang Yang (42nd GA, Guangzhou MR, 1996-2007)

              Zhao Keshi (31st GA, Nanjing MR, 1968-2012)

              Zhang Youxia (13th GA, 14th GA, Beijing MR, 2005-2012)

              Chang Wanquan (47th GA, Lanzhou MR, 1968-2003)
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              • #22
                Liang Guanglie has a Facebook account? wonder how he could bypass the GFW of China.
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                • #23
                  Leading figures in the professional Chinese military watching community

                  Leading figures in the professional Chinese military watching community

                  In my humble opinion, the following is a list of names I believe are the leading figures in the professional Chinese military watching community. They are by no mean the only authority on the matter, but for me, they are the go-to folks. They are also very friendly and personable too :wors:

                  Ground force -- Col (Ret’d) Dennis Blasko
                  Airforce – Col (Ret’d) Kenneth Allen and our very own Astralis :red:
                  Navy (Aircraft carrier, gulf of Aden deployment) -- Dr Andrew Erickson of the US Naval War College
                  Navy (Submarine) -- Dr William Murray of the US Naval War College
                  Navy (doctrine) -- Dr Bernard D. Cole of US National War College.
                  Coast Guard -– Dr Lyle Goldstein of US Naval War College
                  PLA doctrine -- Dr Andrew N.D. Yang, Deputy Minister of Defense of ROC and Jonathan Pollack, Director of the Strategic Research Department at the Naval War College
                  PLA C4I and cyber strategy –- Dr James Mulvenon of Center for Intelligence Research
                  PLAAF history –- Dr Zhang Xiaoming of the USAF Air War College
                  PLA personalities –- Dr Li Cheng
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                  • #24
                    China's Military Just Got a Big Structural Shakeup

                    Big organizational changes at the PLA. The Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s overhaul has finally been announced and will involve a serious regrouping of the hierarchy in the Chinese military, in effect consolidating power with President Xi Jinping and the powerful Central Military Commission (CMC) even further. The restructuring announcement came at the CMC’s leading group for national defence and military reform, which Xi attended. As analysts have noted in the Diplomat, this may be the PLA’s closest analog to the United States’ own Goldwater-Nichols Act, which reformed the U.S. Department of Defense in the late-1980s.



                    China announced guidelines for reforming the People’s Liberation Army as top brass wrapped up a three-day meeting in Beijing on Thursday.

                    President Xi Jinping vowed a “breakthrough” in the overhaul by 2020, according to a statement from the Central Military Commission, which Xi chairs, on the website of the PLA Daily.

                    The overhaul is aimed at moving away from an army-centric system towards a Western-style joint command in which the army, navy and air force are equally represented.

                    The CMC statement highlighted the general direction of the overhaul, including plans to reorganise the four headquarters – General Staff, General Political, General Logistics and General 8Armaments – and to consolidate the seven military command regions.

                    A disciplinary commission would be created within the CMC to tackle corruption, the statement said, adding that inspectors would be sent to every level of the military to ensure strict discipline.

                    Key areas of the long-anticipated military reform include:

                    Reorganising the military headquarters
                    Rezoning the seven military commands
                    Setting up new strategic zones and joint operation command systems
                    Strengthening the Central Military Commission command structure
                    Imposing strict discipline on the army
                    Pushing for more innovation
                    Reforming personnel management system
                    Pushing for integration between the building of national defence and economic development

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                    • #25
                      China's PLA reforms slash political posts as part of a 300,000 cut in non-combat pers


                      Many rank-and-file political officers are expected to lose their jobs in the reform of the People's Liberation Army.

                      However, the Chinese Communist Party's grip on the military's political ideology will be tightened with the setting up of a discipline commission that will take over the responsibilities for military discipline from political officers and their deputies in lower level military units.

                      A unique feature of the PLA means political officers - the most senior of whom are commissars - hold military rank equalling that of unit commanders to ensure the party's absolutely control over combat forces. Political officers, who exist at all levels, oversee discipline and manage non-combat units, including medical, communications, academies, promotion of personnel, as well as army entertainment troupes.

                      President Xi Jinping said a cut of 300,000 military personnel by 2017 - affecting many non-combat units overseen by the political departments - would lead to the PLA downsizing to two million personnel.

                      The decision to have fewer non-combat personnel means there will be no need for so many political officers.
                      "The planned reorganisation will affect many departments, with non-combat units either removed or downsized, so it will lead to a fewer political officers," Hong Kong-based military observer Liang Guoliang said.
                      Analysts said the number of political officers had increased in the past few decades.

                      During wars in the 1930s and 1950s, political commissar posts were held by commanders or deputy commanders. Former paramount leader Deng Xiaoping and former defence minister Peng Dehuai were political commissars.

                      In the 1950s, an army unit would have one political commissar and one deputy. Some local military commands now have six deputy political commissars.

                      Such posts have become hotbeds for corruption. Disgraced Central Military Commission vice-chairman Xu Caihou , a former Shenyang political commissar, took bribes in return for making appointments.
                      Chen Daoyin , an associate professor at Shanghai University of Political Science and Law, said "the overhaul means the political status of departments and political commissars will be weakened … and the new disciplinary commission will help the party control the army more".
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                      • #26
                        How is this going to work? PLA career path used to be that combat officers often switch tracks to political officers just to get promoted. In fact, you used to have to get your ticket stamped as a political officer before you reach SrCol.


                        • #27
                          Maybe you now need to get your ticket punched as a DIC?
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                          • #28
                            Chinese military launches two new wings for space and cyber age

                            President urges army to adapt to digital era as Beijing sets up separate command for land forces
                            SCMP, by Liu Zhen, Jan 1, 2016

                            China has officially launched two new wings of the military and established a separate command for ground units as it presses on with a massive overhaul of the armed forces. The Central Military Commission also released a guideline on Friday aimed a driving the rest of the reform programme.

                            At an inauguration ceremony in Beijing on Thursday, President Xi Jinping conferred flags on the new PLA Rocket Force and PLA Strategic Support Force, as well as the general command for the Army of the People’s Liberation Army.

                            The Rocket Force is founded on what was the Second Artillery Corps – the PLA’s strategic missile force – and will take charge of missiles and rockets, according to a source close to the army. The Strategic Support Force would be responsible for hi-tech warfare in space and on the internet, the source said.

                            Defence ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said on Friday that the creation of the rocket force was consistent with China’s nuclear policy and strategy. Xi said the inauguration of the commands of the three forces was a strategic step to establish a modern military system with Chinese characteristics.

                            In its guideline, the CMC said the defence system would be restructured to build a modern military for the information age by 2020, with most of the reforms expected to be completed by the end of this year. It follows sweeping changes to the military’s leadership and command system last year.

                            Once the changes are in place the CMC will take direct charge of administering all military wings, including the PLA, the People’s Armed Police, and the militia and reserve forces.

                            Under the plan, four main vertical chains – command, development, administration and supervision – will be better defined with clear lines for decision-making, planning, implementing plans and evaluating processes. The five battle zone commands, which replace seven military regions, will focus on combat, and each of the various military services will pursue their own development.

                            The departments of General Staff, Political, Logistics, and Armaments – or the so-called “four general departments” of the CMC – would be devolved into various departments to streamline the organisation. The guideline also calls for the creation an integrated command system that can operate in both war and peace time.

                            The main changes to the composition of the armed forces, military academies and colleges, and armed police will be completed by the end of this year. The militias will also be trimmed and reorganised. More adjustments and improvements will be rolled out gradually from 2017 to 2020, as conditions allow, according to the guideline.

                            At the inauguration ceremony, Xi urged the army to adapt to the digital age, explore new approaches in land warfare and transform itself into a powerful modern land force. He told the Rocket Force to improve nuclear deterrence and counterstrike capacity and advance its medium- and long-range precision strike ability. He called on the Strategic Support Force to leapfrog developments in key fields.
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                            • #29
                              China to overhaul land troops in bid to transform world’s biggest army into nimble fighting force: sources
                              Strong resistance expected as old Soviet-model of organising army corps to be replaced with smaller-sized divisions, say sources
                              SCMP, 24 August, 2016

                              China will reorganise more than half of its 1.55 million land force troops, phasing out its army corps as it tries to mould a more nimble fighting force, sources familiar with the military said, adding that strong internal resistance to the change was expected.

                              Some of the existing 18 Army Corps will be turned into 25 to 30 divisions, they told the South China Morning Post. The size of a corp varies from 30,000 to 100,000 soldiers.
                              The approach was inherited from the Soviet Union, but it’s a bulky model no longer suited to the demands of modern warfare, which prizes modularity, according to a retired senior colonel based in Beijing.

                              “This is a main trend in modern warfare. Even the Russian army has tried to learn from the US army by reducing the size of their troops, making land forces become more nimble and quick-response,” the veteran said.

                              “The style of the US 101st Airborne Division is the best example that the [People’s Liberation Army’s] land forces will study, especially its quick deployment, equipment and logistic supplies, as well as other supporting networks, which reflect the success of its nimble and efficient system.”

                              A defence white paper that came to light last year highlighted the importance of building small, multifunctional and modular units that could take on different purposes for joint operations.
                              The overhaul comes amid a broader shift that the PLA embarked on early this year.

                              Under the direction of President Xi Jinping, who also heads the decision-making Central Military Commission, the four general headquarters were dissolved, before setting up 15 new organisations including the Joint Staff Department. The seven military commands were reshaped into five theatre commands. Some 300,000 troops will also be cut by 2017.
                              Under the new arrangement, divisions will receive instructions from the relevant theatre command, which reports directly to the Joint Staff Department which is now part of the Central Military Commission, before giving orders to frontline troops.

                              The shift away from corps was the focus of Xi’s visit to the headquarters of the land force in Beijing a few days before the anniversary of the founding of the PLA on August 1, a source close to the military said.

                              The source said Xi called on leaders of the land force to speed up reforms in administration and combat capability.
                              Currently the biggest land force in the world, the army comprises 1.55 million soldiers, of which 850,000 are mobile troops, most of whom are under the army corps, while the rest are regional garrison troops.

                              A source said it was only a matter of time for the army corps units to be either downsized or scrapped, although the change would inevitably encounter strong opposition from the ground force.

                              The transition to divisions is likely to result in the dismissal of tens of thousands of military personnel. and, hence, trigger huge resistance from the troops affected.
                              Xi appears to be tightening his grip on military power by letting go of some generals while promoting others who have his trust, as he tries to streamline the force and root out corruption within the ranks.

                              The past two years have seen the downfall of several top brass, including former Central Military Commission vice-chairmen Guo Boxiong and Xu Caihou.
                              Xi wasted no time spelling out his expectations for the army when he inspected the Guangzhou Military Command in early December 2012, less than a month after becoming chair of the commission, saying: “When you are summoned, you must come at once; when you come, make sure you can fight, and when you fight, be certain to win.”

                              To the surprise of many, Xi announced for the first time that the PLA would cut troop levels by 300,000, in a speech right after a massive military parade commemorating the 70th anniversary of the victory over the Japanese on September 3 last year. Rather than the air force and the navy, ground forces became the target for downsizing.
                              The 18 corps are classified into either category A or category B. The first are better equipped and have more manpower and resources. They include the 1st, 13th, 21st, 27th, 38th, 39th and 54th Army Corps, while the rest of the corps belong to category B.

                              Under the overhaul earlier this year, the seven military commands were replaced by five strategic zones – Central, North, South, East and West. State media revealed the distribution of the corps among the theatre commands later on.

                              The Central Theatre Command, which is responsible for the safety of Beijing and a few provinces in its vicinity, boasts the largest number of corps – the 20th, 27th, 38th, 54th and 65th Combined Corps.

                              Second is the North Theatre Command, which commands four – the 16th, 26th, 39th and 40th Combined Corps.
                              The rest of the five theatre commands each have three corps, with the 1st, 12th and 31st belong to the East, the 14th, 41st and 42nd to the South, and the 13th, 21st and 47th to the West.
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                              • #30
                                And here they are making the same mistakes again. Brigadization anyone?