End of the Imaginary Durand Line

[Neo]

Jay,

Pakistan too has been aiding Afghanistan by building infrastructure and providing services and expertise.
GoP is responsible for much of the international aid pouring into Afghanistan.

[Asim Aquil]

You created Taliban to fight the warlords and save the Afghan people?

We aided the side that wasn\'t attacking us. Taliban had been in power for a long time, we took no personal gain from them.

We also did not have any qualms about that aid morally since out of the two sides the Taliban were the lesser evil and enjoyed Public support. As they enjoy it again today. They are Pashtuns, the majority population of Afghanistan.

The Consulates are there for helping out Indian companies and Afghans. India has been one of the largest aid donors and most of the money has been spent in Afghanistan for the betterment of the people. Can you say that about Pakistan??

You speak as if Indian companies are out there turning Afghanistan into a Japan. The Indian aid has managed zilch for Afghanistan and its still as destabilized and as poor a nation it has always been. It is still the place Afghanis want to run from and come to Pakistan.

The consulates are just a front.

[Tronic]

Pakistan too has been aiding Afghanistan by building infrastructure and providing services and expertise.

Neo, hardly any... Pakistan aid is far far too little, it is more of a showing... Neo, I would like to ask you, how much $$$ has Pakistan aided to Afghan for development??? (last time I checked, it was Pakistan which was the one asking for more $$$ to feed Afghan refugees within Pak rather then export aid).

You speak as if Indian companies are out there turning Afghanistan into a Japan. The Indian aid has managed zilch for Afghanistan and its still as destabilized and as poor a nation it has always been. It is still the place Afghanis want to run from and come to Pakistan.

So what do you suggest, everyone pack your bags and leave Afghanistan to the mercy of terrorists again??? Afghanistan is not going to develop overnight, but it will eventually happen and it requires an international effort to help Afghan up on their legs and able them to protect their own soverignty...

[Jay]

We aided the side that wasn\'t attacking us. Taliban had been in power for a long time, we took no personal gain from them.

Eh, Pakistan by aiding Talibans did not gain any material benefits at all? What made Pakistan to turn their back on the Taliban then?

You speak as if Indian companies are out there turning Afghanistan into a Japan.

Oh, so I should only speak when Afghanistan becomes Japan? And it will, if its not for its dear neighbour.

The Indian aid has managed zilch for Afghanistan and its still as destabilized and as poor a nation it has always been.

Schools, hospitals had no effect on the local population? I dont see 1000's of Afghanis crossing the border to get in to Pakistan any more, do you see them?

It is still the place Afghanis want to run from and come to Pakistan.

So?

The consulates are just a front.[/QUOTE]

[Guest]

We aided the side that wasn\'t attacking us. Taliban had been in power for a long time, we took no personal gain from them.

You proven yourself asinine. The strategic goal of your generals are have a puppet government in place in Kabul and a fragile economy, kept Afghanistan dependent on Pakistan both economically and politically. This is because, in twisted mind of your sorry generals, an economically prosperous and militarily strong Afghanistan is a threat to pakistan’s existence; Pakistan's military has always feared that a strong Afghanistan would dispute the current border between the two countries. In addition, an economically prosperous Afghanistan would become more attractive to Pashtuns and Balochis who live in Pakistan, which is the result of their cultural affinity with the Afghans. Therefore, according to Pakistan's military leaders, a powerful government in Afghanistan would pose an existential threat to Pakistan.
This is exactly why Pakistan's throw Taliban regime closed schools, universities, and public offices in Afghanistan, in an effort to keep future generations in total ignorance and darkness. This is exactly why no substantial development projects has been carried Baloch and Pashtons region… this is why FATA is still controlled with old colonial laws and regulation! This is why only religion political parties are allowed in so called FATA.. this is exactly why pasthons kids are being brainwashed into Taliban in Pakistani state run Madrassa(95% of Madrassa’s in pashton region are finances and run by Pakistani ). This is why…ever since the arrival of coalition forces in Afghanistan, schools have been torched in southern Afghanistan(pashton area… a total of 300 schools so far), economic development has been stalled, foreign experts have been beheaded, suicide bombers have flooded in from Pakistani madrassas, and Taliban and al-Qaeda allies have found a safe haven inside Pakistan.

So as you can see.. in sorry and corrupt mind of your generals and rulers.. talibans are god;s gifts to Pakistan… that is until they don’t wage war against PA… and mind you… sooner or later.. Taliban will take on PA!(Mark my words)

We also did not have any qualms about that aid morally since out of the two sides the Taliban were the lesser evil and enjoyed Public support. As they enjoy it again today. They are Pashtuns, the majority population of Afghanistan.

God it is an insult to all of US Pashtons.. specially me as a pure red blooded Pashtons that you as Pakistani... who's country’s existence on my people violates our rights, and identity. You see brown dud… even if we accept that a individual's religious affinity bypass his or her political and economic inspirations (separation of Panjab and Sind from India) there is NO rational in division of eastern Afghans(Pashtons) from Afghanistan! How could you, or any rational and human person justify the illgal, immoral and inhuman division of Pashtons of Pashtonistan from Afghanistan?
How could one not condemn the great injustice served in our region by Britain's carving out this piece of rotting pulp from the lands of India and Afghanistan. How dare they divide the Muslims in each of our countries from their ethnic kinsmen into a den of terror we all recognize as Pakistan. Go on, allow us Afghans to measure your true brotherhood to fellow Muslims.....denounce Pakistan for having dutifully served Britain's interests in south Asia. Lets see you true “islamic” brotherhood!

You speak as if Indian companies are out there turning Afghanistan into a Japan. The Indian aid has managed zilch for Afghanistan and its still as destabilized and as poor a nation it has always been. It is still the place Afghanis want to run from and come to Pakistan.
The consulates are just a front.

Destabilize and poor nation? this coming from a Pakistani? We Afghans know from our long experience with you Pakistanis (Punjabis)… your deep-seated psychological inferiority. Just take a look at how you guys are naming your rockets and bombs after our kings and emperors...while at the same time you are busy with evil policy of talibanization of Afghanistan, cashing blood and cry of afghan woman and children and creating and inflaming the war in Afghanistan.
Jee boy… you bad mouth our country and people but forget that you guys could not completely one single sentence in your national language without using Dari words. Your culture and identity are all subservient to Afghanistan culture… take a look at all the history you guys feel pride in… all were just invaders from Afghanistan.
Let me tell you something… Afghanistan has more history, more culture and more natural resources and potential to become a strong country… history is my witness to that… and that is the soul reason you generals are so scared and want to keep Afghanistan inflamed and burning!
Worst you ***** psychologically susceptible to the race and skin-tone factor..to the point that you guys try to forge history, in order to look more central Asian! For example, this Pakistani guy Itezaz Ahsan(if I remember his name correctly), in part, basis his distinct Pak-identity argument on Indus Valley Civilization, which he claims to be confined to Pakistan only. Either he doesn't know or is ignoring the fact that this civilization flourished over a vast area extending over parts of north-west India and Pakistan. Three of the major six centers of Harrapn Culture are in India. He also forgets that Indus Valley Civilization is a dead civilization, isolated in time, and probably space also, that couldn't pass, in any substantial way, its influences to any ethnicity inhabiting Pakistan now. He also doesn't take into account the fact that Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis, and even Punjabis don't have any remotest sense of affiliation with Harrapan Civilization. Even more absurd is eventhough Pakistan have imported Urdu-Hindi and after "Islamizing" it, have defined it as a further element of Pakistani Identity, still every body knows that Urdu-Hindi has more to do with India than Pakistan.
So you see…there is nothing exclusive to the "territory" called Pakistan or populace called Pakistani that can form the basis of a distinct Pakistani identity. Islam is not specific to "Pakistanis" as Judiasm is specific to Jews (an unbreakable relationship between a race and a religion retained over millinia and live in the memories of successive generations---so the historical continuity. ) the problem for you is that identity… since Pakistan is not a geopolitical, cultural, or ethnic continuity. The sooner you realize this the better it gona be for you own good!



Cheers
azmal

[Hari_Om]

We Afghans know from our long experience with you Pakistanis (Punjabis)… your deep-seated psychological inferiority. Just take a look at how you guys are naming your rockets and bombs after our kings and emperors...

A topic that has come for much discussion here on WAB though an inferiority complex was not ascribed as a reason for this aberration :

Afghanistan opposes missile names


Any way you can draw comfort that Afghan’s are not the only victims. Pakistanis have borrowed hero’s and borrowed heroic exploits from elsewhere as well :

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...69&postcount=2

[Archer]

It is a deep seated inferiority complex...look at Pakistanis, some still describe themselves as yaduvanshi rajputs but now "muslims"...why sir, if you are muslims, what is the need for all this clan business? After all, they'all shouldnt be taking pride in being descended from a pagan God could you?

Its the psychology of the convert, he seeks to convince himself he was amongst the "best" in the previous group, made the choice of his own free will and is now "better", dare I use the P word..and then, in that vein, heaps contempt on his former group- the deep seated and irrational fear of Pakistanis for hindus, pagans, non Muslims comes from that. Call it the "Richard Ried" or John walker Lindh syndrome.

And then the need to invent a new history...we are central asians, we are turks, we are the sons of babur, we are the camp followers of nadir shah from persia..

Never, the plain facts...that they are ex punjabi hindus and buddhists, who lost the war, and was as common in those brutal times, converted for survival (either that or be killed) and political purposes. It was not pleasant, but then the wheel has come full circle. These folks are as fanatical as the Ghauris and Ghaznavis, and as irrational in their firm belief that Islam trumps all and everyone.

[Green_Man]

On a Question of where Pakistanis are from , we are more close to Arabs than we are to the indians , in all respects whether its culture its history and even biology. We are more close to Arabs than to the Hindus

The gentic Markers M9,M201 & M69 are what is prevalant in Pakistan these markers maybe found in some parts of northen india but other than those areas india is made up of M20, M52 , and M69 . M69 is common to both India and Pakistan close to Pakistan's south and then runs into the indian south.

The M9 marker come directly from Arabia hence most Pakistanis are realted to the Arabs in more ways than one.

Following is the Atlas of Human journey , this is not based on political motives its based on FACTS which no one can deny.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/atlas.html

India's objective has always been to discredit the two nations theory well , surprise surprise , after more then 60 years that Muhammad Ali Jinnah came to the conclusion that Indian and Pakistanis are different today even the genes tell the same story

[Srirangan]

Why .. Who has ever denied your ancestors being raped by Arab tribals?

[Srirangan]

We are more close to Arabs than to the Hindus

'Hindu' is not an ethnicity. You can be Arab and a Hindu, get it?

[Alamgir]

On a Question of where Pakistanis are from , we are more close to Arabs than we are to the indians , in all respects whether its culture its history and even biology. We are more close to Arabs than to the Hindus

The gentic Markers M9,M201 & M69 are what is prevalant in Pakistan these markers maybe found in some parts of northen india but other than those areas india is made up of M20, M52 , and M69 . M69 is common to both India and Pakistan close to Pakistan's south and then runs into the indian south.

The M9 marker come directly from Arabia hence most Pakistanis are realted to the Arabs in more ways than one.

Following is the Atlas of Human journey , this is not based on political motives its based on FACTS which no one can deny.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/atlas.html

India's objective has always been to discredit the two nations theory well , surprise surprise , after more then 60 years that Muhammad Ali Jinnah came to the conclusion that Indian and Pakistanis are different today even the genes tell the same story

Those genetic markers prove that you are Indians, and dont come from the Middle East. Lolz, WTF? Pakistanis are Arab? LOLOL... None of the Pakistanis i know or have ever met even remotely resemble Arabs or anyone else from the Middle East. I agree with Azmal you people suffer from a deep-rooted inferiority complex. I even remember this one **** guy who tried to tell me that Pakistanis have Greek in them, LOL

Damn, i knew that Indians-Pakistanis are obsessed with being a few shades lighter than what they naturally are but making up lies about your ancestors being from Arabia or Greece or wherever is going too far.... hahahah... Must suck being Pakistani i guess..

[Tronic]

On a Question of where Pakistanis are from , we are more close to Arabs than we are to the indians , in all respects whether its culture its history and even biology. We are more close to Arabs than to the Hindus

The gentic Markers M9,M201 & M69 are what is prevalant in Pakistan these markers maybe found in some parts of northen india but other than those areas india is made up of M20, M52 , and M69 . M69 is common to both India and Pakistan close to Pakistan's south and then runs into the indian south.

The M9 marker come directly from Arabia hence most Pakistanis are realted to the Arabs in more ways than one.

Following is the Atlas of Human journey , this is not based on political motives its based on FACTS which no one can deny.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/atlas.html

India's objective has always been to discredit the two nations theory well , surprise surprise , after more then 60 years that Muhammad Ali Jinnah came to the conclusion that Indian and Pakistanis are different today even the genes tell the same story

LOL... that link you posted just shows you are Indians.

[Tronic]

Damn, i knew that Indians-Pakistanis are obsessed with being a few shades lighter than what they naturally are...

WTF.... how many Indians do you see here claiming Arab or Greek decendency???

[gilgamesh]

WTF.... how many Indians do you see here claiming Arab or Greek decendency???

Some Paks believe they are direct descendents of Alexander's invading army and in those days Greeks it seems were very diferent from the Greeks of today.

They were mostly of North German or Scandinavian stock and by virtue of that, current Pakistanis are related to Eric the Red, therefore the affinity to Swedish names like 'Lund'.

I guess it would be their dream to get an acceptance letter from 'University of Lund' in Sweden.

[Green_Man]

Those genetic markers prove that you are Indians, and dont come from the Middle East. Lolz, WTF? Pakistanis are Arab? LOLOL... None of the Pakistanis i know or have ever met even remotely resemble Arabs or anyone else from the Middle East. I agree with Azmal you people suffer from a deep-rooted inferiority complex. I even remember this one **** guy who tried to tell me that Pakistanis have Greek in them, LOL

Damn, i knew that Indians-Pakistanis are obsessed with being a few shades lighter than what they naturally are but making up lies about your ancestors being from Arabia or Greece or wherever is going too far.... hahahah... Must suck being Pakistani i guess..

Facts are Facts they are not based on what ever you want to believe. No need to get jealous

Pakistanis are distinct from Indians thats the point. Differences in Genetic Markers or Haplogroups mean that you are different biologcally and has no bearing on colour you might be all black or all white still diffenrt get it

Nobody has any desire to be other than what they are , following are migratory routes of the M9 marker the M201 and M69 and those present in India


See for yourself the migratory routes taken by carries of the genetic markers M9 mentiond , you dont believe it you dont have to