End of the Imaginary Durand Line

[visioninthedark]

Beg the UN? Beg America? Beg UK? Didn't Pakistan always do that only? Give us a chance and we'll win our land back from your theif Pak army. I have no doubt Pak is coward which is why they use lies to fool some Pakhtuns. Pakhtun wasn't taliban before your army spreaded lies to use Islam against Afghan regaining our land. See it is exposed, repeating them many times again didn't help. Your pakistan havent taught you any honour? When a lie is caught its better to apologise or stayin quiet. in real life consequences of repeat lying arent good as pakistan will realize in time. You fought for islam in 40-50 and you abandon it .. then again you fight for islam in 80-90 and you abandon it .. where will pak go when islam abandons it?

You know Abbas Raza ... if Afghanistan even tried to use force against Pakistan ... it will be Pakistani Pathans who will kick you back into stone age ... hell .... our military is full of Pathans ...

the rest will just sit back and watch Pakistani Pathans drive you back to stone age ...

[Neo]

Neo,
The Durand and MacMohan lines are the resultof British efforts to creat buffer areas against a Russian invasion of India. These lines are as a result of coerced decisions imposed upon the Afghans and the Chinese by the British, after independence the inheritors of these lines have had different opinions with the original land owners. Hence, the problem festers till today.

Sir,
The mountanious area we gave back to China is merely habitable. There are just some Tajik nomads out there, the territory is hardly accessable from our side.

It's just a formality that the agreement regarding the Durand Line is renewed. Pakistan announced it's boundries in 1947, the Afghans should have settled the claim with the new country then. Now 58 years have passed since the British left.
It's not like Honk Kong, which actually was a GB colony and the lease contractors were the only two parties involved.
Pakistan will never give up NWFP to any country.

[Neo]

You know Abbas Raza ... if Afghanistan even tried to use force against Pakistan ... it will be Pakistani Pathans who will kick you back into stone age ... hell .... our military is full of Pathans ...

the rest will just sit back and watch Pakistani Pathans drive you back to stone age ...

He is still dreaming that all Pathans will prefer the Afghan brotherhood and fight against PA...LOL

[AbbasRazzaKhan]

You know Abbas Raza ... if Afghanistan even tried to use force against Pakistan ... it will be Pakistani Pathans who will kick you back into stone age ... hell .... our military is full of Pathans ...

the rest will just sit back and watch Pakistani Pathans drive you back to stone age ...

:D you really underestimate the strengthness of pakhtunwali code .. yes i agree too we are divided and economy and society weak .. and yes the cowardly punjabi army has relied on brave pakhtuns always since the inception of pakistan // a land with no history and identity ..

[Aryan]

What identity does Afghanistan have? What do Pushtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbek, Baloch and Turkmen have in common?

[Srirangan]

US wants Peshawar corps commander out for aiding Taliban

URL: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/188
Date: 9/8/2005

9 August 2005: The United States has put pressure on Pakistan to change its Peshawar corps commander, Lieutenant General Safdar Hussein, and some of his subordinate officers, alleging that they were aiding in the regrouping of the Taliban in Afghanistan in the run up to the crucial parliamentary polls in autumn, but General Parvez Musharraf has conveyed it would be difficult to act in this manner, but would try to meet American concerns.

Just before leaving command of the coalition forces in Afghanistan, US Lieutenant General David Barno wrote a damaging report against the Peshawar Corps, saying that its troops were increasingly mingling with the Taliban remnants, and that they had been putting up highly skilled infantry battles with his forces in the past eleven months, describing them, and said that captured weaponry, ranging from AK-47s, mine-laying equipment, to SAMs, all bore Pakistani ordnance markings.

In April, Hussein had clashed with Barno's statement about probable Pakistani army action in North Waziristan against terrorist networks, calling it a 'figment of his imagination', and now, the Peshawar Corps commander has cried off from anti-Al-Qaeda/Taliban operations in South Waziristan as well, saying that troops are facing great hostility from local tribals.

Diplomats said Hussein has refused to carry out military action against hardcore Islamists and Taliban cadres, because of the growing anti-Pakistan tendencies of the locals, and he has communicated that officers of the Peshawar Corps would like that Pakistan act for its own interests instead of those of others, hinting at the US.

The US, on the other hand, has been insisting that either Pakistan change the Peshawar corps commander or permit American forces to permanently operate from South Waziristan, and presently, it has three mainly intelligence-gathering stations in the area. Previously, Hussein has even refused joint action by US and Pakistani forces in the region infested with Al-Qaeda and Taliban cadres.

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Not sure about the Pakhtun or not controversy, but PA commanders are defying Musharraf and not attacking tribal Pashtuns. Its either Islam or the tribal affinities causing this, isn't it?

[AbbasRazzaKhan]

What identity does Afghanistan have? What do Pushtuns, Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbek, Baloch and Turkmen have in common?

Thousand plus years of history.What do Pak regions have in common?British raj?Afghan rule?Or rule from Delhi?Even the Lahore rule was by sikhs that leave after 1947 partition.

[AbbasRazzaKhan]

US wants Peshawar corps commander out for aiding Taliban

URL: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/188
Date: 9/8/2005

9 August 2005: The United States has put pressure on Pakistan to change its Peshawar corps commander, Lieutenant General Safdar Hussein, and some of his subordinate officers, alleging that they were aiding in the regrouping of the Taliban in Afghanistan in the run up to the crucial parliamentary polls in autumn, but General Parvez Musharraf has conveyed it would be difficult to act in this manner, but would try to meet American concerns.

Just before leaving command of the coalition forces in Afghanistan, US Lieutenant General David Barno wrote a damaging report against the Peshawar Corps, saying that its troops were increasingly mingling with the Taliban remnants, and that they had been putting up highly skilled infantry battles with his forces in the past eleven months, describing them, and said that captured weaponry, ranging from AK-47s, mine-laying equipment, to SAMs, all bore Pakistani ordnance markings.

In April, Hussein had clashed with Barno's statement about probable Pakistani army action in North Waziristan against terrorist networks, calling it a 'figment of his imagination', and now, the Peshawar Corps commander has cried off from anti-Al-Qaeda/Taliban operations in South Waziristan as well, saying that troops are facing great hostility from local tribals.

Diplomats said Hussein has refused to carry out military action against hardcore Islamists and Taliban cadres, because of the growing anti-Pakistan tendencies of the locals, and he has communicated that officers of the Peshawar Corps would like that Pakistan act for its own interests instead of those of others, hinting at the US.

The US, on the other hand, has been insisting that either Pakistan change the Peshawar corps commander or permit American forces to permanently operate from South Waziristan, and presently, it has three mainly intelligence-gathering stations in the area. Previously, Hussein has even refused joint action by US and Pakistani forces in the region infested with Al-Qaeda and Taliban cadres.

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Not sure about the Pakhtun or not controversy, but PA commanders are defying Musharraf and not attacking tribal Pashtuns. Its either Islam or the tribal affinities causing this, isn't it?

Dont blame us for taliban which Pak Army create to use and destory and divid us.

[Neo]

For the record, we sheltered the Mujahideens and they created the Taleban.
The ideology came from your own people as they carried it along with them when they came to Pakistan.
Socio-political environment in Pakistan was far from ideal for Talibanism to be born there!

[Asim Aquil]

US wants Peshawar corps commander out for aiding Taliban

URL: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/188
Date: 9/8/2005

9 August 2005: The United States has put pressure on Pakistan to change its Peshawar corps commander, Lieutenant General Safdar Hussein, and some of his subordinate officers, alleging that they were aiding in the regrouping of the Taliban in Afghanistan in the run up to the crucial parliamentary polls in autumn, but General Parvez Musharraf has conveyed it would be difficult to act in this manner, but would try to meet American concerns.

Just before leaving command of the coalition forces in Afghanistan, US Lieutenant General David Barno wrote a damaging report against the Peshawar Corps, saying that its troops were increasingly mingling with the Taliban remnants, and that they had been putting up highly skilled infantry battles with his forces in the past eleven months, describing them, and said that captured weaponry, ranging from AK-47s, mine-laying equipment, to SAMs, all bore Pakistani ordnance markings.

In April, Hussein had clashed with Barno's statement about probable Pakistani army action in North Waziristan against terrorist networks, calling it a 'figment of his imagination', and now, the Peshawar Corps commander has cried off from anti-Al-Qaeda/Taliban operations in South Waziristan as well, saying that troops are facing great hostility from local tribals.

Diplomats said Hussein has refused to carry out military action against hardcore Islamists and Taliban cadres, because of the growing anti-Pakistan tendencies of the locals, and he has communicated that officers of the Peshawar Corps would like that Pakistan act for its own interests instead of those of others, hinting at the US.

The US, on the other hand, has been insisting that either Pakistan change the Peshawar corps commander or permit American forces to permanently operate from South Waziristan, and presently, it has three mainly intelligence-gathering stations in the area. Previously, Hussein has even refused joint action by US and Pakistani forces in the region infested with Al-Qaeda and Taliban cadres.

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Not sure about the Pakhtun or not controversy, but PA commanders are defying Musharraf and not attacking tribal Pashtuns. Its either Islam or the tribal affinities causing this, isn't it?

I'd like to know why thats happening sometimes as well. While they're clearly arresting them as well.

The Pak Army's motive is to arrest them, but they don't want to be taken alive. Pakistan just transfered more troops to the Afghan border, perhaps its got something to do with this same thing. The man power, they weaponry, the systems on our end are clearly not at the same level as the US forces. Over 150,000 troops are engaged on that border, A lot more should be at the LoC/IB on the east.

I think its high time, the US participated in sealing off the border as well. We've seen countless commentaries on how hard it is to seal off this border. A few thousand American troops won't be enough.

What do Pak regions have in common?

Tehreek-e-Pakistan.

:D you really underestimate the strengthness of pakhtunwali code .. yes i agree too we are divided and economy and society weak .. and yes the cowardly punjabi army has relied on brave pakhtuns always since the inception of pakistan // a land with no history and identity ..

So you're saying the Pakhtuns are crazy zombies? From your own testament the Pakhtuns have fought and died for Pakistan. The Pakhtuns from Afghanistan didn't even fight for it in the Soviet war till ISI and CIA intervened and provided support in form of training and transfer of weaponry. Instead most Afghans (mostly Pakhtuns) came to Pakistan and formed the biggest refugee population in the world. Who did they come to? They came to Pakistan. What did they do there? They stripped off their Afghan identity. Applied for Pakistani passports or shanakhti cards (ID cards) and took Pakistani identity.

See as I see it, I'll give you two options. Either you can go ask the Pakhtuns whom do they want to be with or you can come and fight us. Why are you expecting us to underestimate the Afghans? Don't worry, we'll hit you with all that we've got if you attack Pakistan.

So its ok, if only the Pakhtuns want to be united, Afghanistan's part can come and join Pakistan. Rest of Afghanistan can live on its own. Of course the Afghani lands would be troublesome, so Pakistan would have to look into that before saying yes.

So there are your options. You have full freedom to choose any that you like and then let us know. Unless you're looking for sympathy or something? That I can't give.

[Neo]

I think its high time, the US participated in sealing off the border as well. We've seen countless commentaries on how hard it is to seal off this border. A few thousand American troops won't be enough.

I second that!
Why is GoP not building a fence there??

[Aryan]

Thousand plus years of history.What do Pak regions have in common?British raj?Afghan rule?Or rule from Delhi?Even the Lahore rule was by sikhs that leave after 1947 partition.

History is one thing, identity is another. What identity to the ethnic groups have today?

[Asim Aquil]

The thing is, they're not attacking us. Well not as much. They're attacking the US forces. American with all its money can build a fence. And with their equipment and as many forces on the border as we have, they can seal off the border, with or without Pakistani help.

If anyone comes from Pak, wham, kill em. If someone from the other way wham kill em.

Even the Lahore rule was by sikhs that leave after 1947 partition.

I think you were trying to say that "Even Lahore was ruled by Sikhs before 1947"... right? Well no. Lahore had a Muslim majority population. As did, most of Punjab.

[Ray]

Neo,

Read the book by the ISI Brigadier who was the Deputy and who organised the Afghan Insurrection.

The Book is called "The Bear Trap" and it is published by Jung Publishers of Lahore.

Worth a read and though he reveals most, it may make you feel good as a Pakistani origin person.

Hey I don't even knowhether you are a Pakistani or a Dutch?

[Ray]

History is one thing, identity is another. What identity to the ethnic groups have today?

Good one.

Anyone remembers an entity called Kashmir? ;)