End of the Imaginary Durand Line

[Asim Aquil]

It was obviously Pakistan's fault, not the Bangladeshis. The people who died faught for their country. They had orders. Or has that concept slipped out of your mind after retirement?

Journalistic spin does not cut ice!

Spin? I'm telling you as a 22 year old citizen of Pakistan. I was born 12 years after the war. Probably learnt that Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan, 12 years after that. 10 years later, you're confused why I've moved on? How bored are you today?

[Asim Aquil]

And Pakistan is just feeling great that they have allies and not countrymen in BD and what are 90,000 PsW between allies! :)

Nothing much to shed a tear.

It was not humiliation. It was a matter of honour to be captured!

Tell that to a Pakistan Army man and he will hang you by the gonads on the nearest lamp post!

As I said, I didn't live through it. You did, the sense of pride of what you did back then probably still lives on. You can poke all the fun you want, at me, I seriously am not bothered about getting Bangladesh back.

If you recall, Musharraf went as far as to appologize to Bangladesh for what happened. I don't pay as much attention to the gonads but I'm guessing they're fine.

[Srirangan]

As I said, I didn't live through it. You did, the sense of pride of what you did back then probably still lives on. You can poke all the fun you want, at me, I seriously am not bothered about getting Bangladesh back.

If you recall, Musharraf went as far as to appologize to Bangladesh for what happened. I don't pay as much attention to the gonads but I'm guessing they're fine.

Well, seriously you should start looking at the bigger picture. The split of Pakistan was proof of the flaws in the 2 nation theory. The "muslims" of the sub continent weren't a seperate nation. Seperate "united" nation to be more correct.

[lemontree]

Russian planes and choppers became sitting duscks for the stingers.

That was just a momentary victory. The Mujahids were given quite a kicking and the story would have been different had the war carried on. Check with the good Colonel (OoE) and he will explain the facts.
The fact that the Soviets did not have the money to sustain it changed every thing. collapsed economy and the glasnost and prestroika changed every thing. It did make this world safer though.

What freedom exactly?
BD hasn't grown in any field since independence, they are worse off!

That is their own fault, at least they cannot blame the west Pakistanis now.

Btw, Mujahideen or Taliban's were supported by Pakistan but the idiology was developped and adapted by themselves.

The ideology was present and the seminaries that created the foot soldiers for the jihad are what happen to be a serious problem for Pakistan currently.

Such doctrine could never have flourished in a country like Pakistan.

Maybe not in Sindh and south Pakistan. But look at the north, it is this sectarianism and intolerance that flourishing there.

Pakistan is not threatend..but not eager to give that advantage to Inida either.

You don't have a threat from India at present. The threat exists within Pakistan. The fundamentalism and support to jihadi groups is a self imposed cancer that is making the counrty hollow. Pakistan already gave India the advantage by screwing up their economy.
BTW did you know that economically Pakistan was ahead of India pre-1970. Pakistan would have been backrupted had not the post 9/11 aid/rent for US bases, given it a little breathing space.

[Neo]

BTW did you know that economically Pakistan was ahead of India pre-1970. Pakistan would have been backrupted had not the post 9/11 aid/rent for US bases, given it a little breathing space.

Actually India took over in the early nineties, not earlier.
Pak economy declined for several years in a row due corruption and mismanagement.
Our GNP per capita had always been higher than India till the nineties.

[lemontree]

Our GNP per capita had always been higher than India till the nineties.

I am not sure when we over took Pakistan economically. The downfall in Pakistan seems to have started with Zia's regime.

[Neo]

Copared to India, we are a small economy. Reforms and privitasation have already given some boost to economy and Mush is pushing the private sector to become main core of the economy.
Once Pakistan joins ASEAN, Shanghai group and realisation of a trade free zone in South Asian, expect Pakistan to keep pace with India and China.
Faster growth in India will benefit Pakistan aswell and vice versa.

[indianguy4u]

Shanghai grp has nothing to offer to any one other than chinese interest in CAR. Its more of a political grping for other countries incld us.

[Neo]

I am not sure when we over took Pakistan economically. The downfall in Pakistan seems to have started with Zia's regime.

On the contrary Sir, it's quite ironic that Pakistan's best years were under military rule!!!
Butto and Sharif are responsible for the downfall.
Asif Zardari is the biggest thief in Pakistan. Corruption, nepotism, badloans......he should be hanged for that!!

[indianguy4u]

Copared to India, we are a small economy. Reforms and privitasation have already given some boost to economy and Mush is pushing the private sector to become main core of the economy.
Once Pakistan joins ASEAN, Shanghai group and realisation of a trade free zone in South Asian, expect Pakistan to keep pace with India and China.
Faster growth in India will benefit Pakistan aswell and vice versa.

It will remain as that untill pureland replace jehadi factories with econony related.

[Neo]

Shanghai group will mature, it will become a political aswell as economic zone..something like Asean

[lemontree]

Faster growth in India will benefit Pakistan aswell and vice versa.

That is a fact that the jihadis and PA generals need to understand. They need to understand that militarily there is no solution just as we had to swollow the loss of Aksai Chin to China. Militarily India wil not confront China due to the cost involved and the same is for Pakistan vis-a-vis Kashmir.
The only solution for the problem is a confederacy of India and Pakistan. The whole border right from the Karakoram to the Arabian Sea has to disappear then Kashmir remians with both. I speak for myself when I say that I will be happier to this solution than have to face loss of yet another piece of land after 1962.

[lemontree]

On the contrary Sir, it's quite ironic that Pakistan's best years were under military rule!!!
Butto and Sharif are responsible for the downfall.
Asif Zardari is the biggest thief in Pakistan. Corruption, nepotism, badloans......he should be hanged for that!!

Just because you could not see the General's stealing does not mean that they were any more honest that Zardari and gang.
We too have our share of political thieves, but a vigilant public and the media ensure that the robbery is within bearable limits.

[Neo]

Number of Jihadi's is small and declining, they won't slow us down.
PA and ISI is a different story though, they are both in ungent need for reforms, Mush knows that and has already made some changes in the order.

[Neo]

But its still a long way to go...