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  • Originally posted by antimony View Post
    If the Taliban are in a bind as you say and if they continue to be dicks like this, why does the USA even bothers? Just let the ANA off the leash
    Because no American General would ever tolerate wholesale slaughter of old men, women, children, and dogs of even just suspected Taliban villages,

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    • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
      And what's this business about NATO ROE's somehow reigning in the ANA and "letting the ANA off the leash after the US leaves"? What is the ANA going to do that NATO couldn't or wouldn't? Burn villages? Kill civilians? Take the fight into Pakistan? More likely that they are going to be overwhelmed by the Taliban after the US troops leave. These peace talks are simply a tactic to quicken the US exit. The NA couldn't defeat the taliban till they got US airpower (and eventually, troops). Before that they were on the defensive and their most important commander was assassinated by suicide bombers. There were no ROE's reigning them in back then. The ANA is unlikely to be any more effective.
      The ANA outmanned the Taliban by 10 to 1 and they outgunned the Taliban by even a greater margin.

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      • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        The ANA outmanned the Taliban by 10 to 1 and they outgunned the Taliban by even a greater margin.
        If that is the case, then operating within NATO ROE's shouldn't have prevented them from bringing the Taliban to their knees. The fact remains that the Taliban can't be destroyed unless their safe haven's in Pakistan are removed, not to mention the fresh recruits and weapons they obtain from there. The only thing that can touch those areas are the drones, which may not be a problem after the US leaves.

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        • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
          Stupidity knows no bounds. They could have left this equipment for the ANA.
          PA has already rejected the left over equipment, the maintenance costs were going to be astronomical for PA to maintain this equipment use worthy. As of now, majority of the advanced platforms in possession of ANA is being serviced by the US. ANA lacks the logistical base required to operate these platforms, this is why most of the equipment will be mothballed and sold for scrap.

          Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
          Who's willing to bet at least a portion of this equipment will magically appear in the hands of the Taliban?
          And how will the Taliban keep this equipment use worthy? Where are the spares going to come from?

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          • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
            If that is the case, then operating within NATO ROE's shouldn't have prevented them from bringing the Taliban to their knees. The fact remains that the Taliban can't be destroyed unless their safe haven's in Pakistan are removed, not to mention the fresh recruits and weapons they obtain from there. The only thing that can touch those areas are the drones, which may not be a problem after the US leaves.
            The ANA could be a million strong and they still could not eliminate the Taliban fighting the way we have been fighting. There are simply too many nooks and cranies to hide in. The only way to truly conquer Afghanistan is via Genghis Khan ... and that is what the ANA will do once we leave. They know their ways of war much better than us.

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            • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              The only way to truly conquer Afghanistan is via Genghis Khan ... and that is what the ANA will do once we leave. They know their ways of war much better than us.
              And what do you think the Pashtun units of the ANA will be doing as the ANA officer corps goes 'Genghis Khan' on the Pashtun majority regions where the Taliban hold sway?
              Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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              • The Afghan National Army in 2014 | Small Wars Journal
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                • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  The ANA could be a million strong and they still could not eliminate the Taliban fighting the way we have been fighting. There are simply too many nooks and cranies to hide in. The only way to truly conquer Afghanistan is via Genghis Khan ... and that is what the ANA will do once we leave. They know their ways of war much better than us.
                  Genghis Khan would have invaded and laid waste to FATA and Khyber Pakhtunwa and then finished off those who were trapped on the Afghan side with nowhere left to hide. The ANA can't do that. Genghis Khan also wouldn't have had Pashtuns in his army. You are expecting too much from the ANA.
                  Last edited by Firestorm; 02 Jul 13,, 21:02.

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                  • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                    And what do you think the Pashtun units of the ANA will be doing as the ANA officer corps goes 'Genghis Khan' on the Pashtun majority regions where the Taliban hold sway?
                    The ANA is now about 43 percent Pathan (Pashtun), 32 percent Tajik, 12 percent Hazara and 10 percent Uzbek, with the rest made up of smaller ethnic groups, which is approximately the percentages of these communities in the Afghan population.
                    The Afghan National Army in 2014 | Small Wars Journal

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                    • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                      Genghis Khan would have invaded and laid waste to FATA and Khyber Pakhtunwa and then finished off those who were trapped on the Afghan side with nowhere left to hide. The ANA can't do that. Genghis Khan also wouldn't have had Pashtuns in his army. You are expecting too much from the ANA.
                      What? To go midevil on the Taliban? There's a bloodbath coming and everyone knows it. I don't see an end to this. Once the ANA finishes off the Taliban, it will turn on itself.

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                      • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        What? To go midevil on the Taliban? There's a bloodbath coming and everyone knows it. I don't see an end to this. Once the ANA finishes off the Taliban, it will turn on itself.
                        Only if the funds run out.

                        The funds run out if the election next year is perceived to be unfair.

                        Otherwise there is no reason for it at least not yet.

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                        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Don't think we ever threatened India with nuclear retalliation if she nuked Pakistan.
                          No but you threatened to interfere with India's war plans.

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                          • Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                            No but you threatened to interfere with India's war plans.
                            The only thing I remember was that we bribed India not to goto war. Can't recall the stick but the carrot was pretty damned big.

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                            • Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                              No but you threatened to interfere with India's war plans.
                              Please expand.

                              Thanks

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                              • Arming the north can only maintain the status quo, anything more than that? hardly. Norths priority should be to salvage what it can and fortify itself.

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