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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostAnd what's this business about NATO ROE's somehow reigning in the ANA and "letting the ANA off the leash after the US leaves"? What is the ANA going to do that NATO couldn't or wouldn't? Burn villages? Kill civilians? Take the fight into Pakistan? More likely that they are going to be overwhelmed by the Taliban after the US troops leave. These peace talks are simply a tactic to quicken the US exit. The NA couldn't defeat the taliban till they got US airpower (and eventually, troops). Before that they were on the defensive and their most important commander was assassinated by suicide bombers. There were no ROE's reigning them in back then. The ANA is unlikely to be any more effective.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe ANA outmanned the Taliban by 10 to 1 and they outgunned the Taliban by even a greater margin.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostStupidity knows no bounds. They could have left this equipment for the ANA.
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostWho's willing to bet at least a portion of this equipment will magically appear in the hands of the Taliban?
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostIf that is the case, then operating within NATO ROE's shouldn't have prevented them from bringing the Taliban to their knees. The fact remains that the Taliban can't be destroyed unless their safe haven's in Pakistan are removed, not to mention the fresh recruits and weapons they obtain from there. The only thing that can touch those areas are the drones, which may not be a problem after the US leaves.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe only way to truly conquer Afghanistan is via Genghis Khan ... and that is what the ANA will do once we leave. They know their ways of war much better than us.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe ANA could be a million strong and they still could not eliminate the Taliban fighting the way we have been fighting. There are simply too many nooks and cranies to hide in. The only way to truly conquer Afghanistan is via Genghis Khan ... and that is what the ANA will do once we leave. They know their ways of war much better than us.Last edited by Firestorm; 02 Jul 13,, 21:02.
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostAnd what do you think the Pashtun units of the ANA will be doing as the ANA officer corps goes 'Genghis Khan' on the Pashtun majority regions where the Taliban hold sway?The ANA is now about 43 percent Pathan (Pashtun), 32 percent Tajik, 12 percent Hazara and 10 percent Uzbek, with the rest made up of smaller ethnic groups, which is approximately the percentages of these communities in the Afghan population.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostGenghis Khan would have invaded and laid waste to FATA and Khyber Pakhtunwa and then finished off those who were trapped on the Afghan side with nowhere left to hide. The ANA can't do that. Genghis Khan also wouldn't have had Pashtuns in his army. You are expecting too much from the ANA.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostWhat? To go midevil on the Taliban? There's a bloodbath coming and everyone knows it. I don't see an end to this. Once the ANA finishes off the Taliban, it will turn on itself.
The funds run out if the election next year is perceived to be unfair.
Otherwise there is no reason for it at least not yet.
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