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  • Dago
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    Yeap, I guess. :) Just been watching the news again, due too the uprising in Tusina, Egypt and Lybia. Then came the earthquake. Been glued too the thing now.

    Yet nonetheless, surely there was a thread about this, or else everyone must of been a cage ;)


    But why is it on the news again, because pictures were released correct? Kinda wondering where the source of these pictures and who leaked them...

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  • S2
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    Dago Reply

    Where've you been? In a cave?

    U.S. Soldiers Face Courts Martial Over Afghan Killings-BBC 15 Oct, 2010

    U.S. Army Sergeant Described As Ringleader In Slaying Of Afghan Civilians-L.A. Times Sept. 28, 2010

    Jeremy Morlock, U.S. Soldier, Charged For Murder In Three Afghan Civilian Deaths-Huffington Post, June 4, 2010

    Hope that helps.

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  • Dago
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    This was the first time I've heard about this, after this thread, and on the news. Has there been a previous thread? I thought the news would of covered it alot sooner, since charges have been filed 9 months ago. Or whats the new developments now? That pictures have been leaked or something? I doubt the military released them...

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  • S2
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    NeilE Reply

    I guess I'm confused by the purpose for this thread and its location. Jeremy Morlock was charged for his crimes in early June, 2010. That was over nine months ago. Neil, are you only now aware of that and the serious and heinous nature of those crimes? Further, do you need pictures for the story to be fully revealed?

    Legal proceedings are well advanced. What, therefore, explains your new-found concern? Those courts martial proceedings are slated for Wednesday, I believe, at Ft. Lewis, Washington.

    Finally, as noted above, the case shall be heard in the state of Washington. Why is it, therefore, located in this section of the forum? It would seem this is an American military judicial matter and rightfully belongs in the American politics section.

    As it's not the first time soldiers have been charged with crimes while under uniform and since the news of these events reaches well before the above indictment date, it would seem that whatever tactical/operational impact to be derived by the enemy and their sympathizers is minimal. If so, does this thread really belong in the WoT section of this board? What do you think about this thread being moved?

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  • USSWisconsin
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    These scum have soiled their uniforms and tarnished the reputation of their unit by their association with it, I hope they receive a full measure of justice. The name Morlock reminds me of the monsters in the old movie Time Machine, creepy things they were.

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  • zraver
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    old news, the ringleader is already charged with conspiracy and murder. Gibbs not only took pics, but also finger bones and went out and got skull tatoos. Luckily for the US the Army is already on top of this. Gibbs will likely be executed and families have likely already gotten compensation.

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  • NeilE
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    Originally posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Is plea bargaining an easy option and way to wrap things up quickly and cheaply more than about seing justice done to all involved?
    It can be though I suspect in this case that it is being used first and foremost to ensure that convictions are secured for all of the accused. There is going to be considerable outrage in Afghanistan that one of the co-accused is getting a reduced sentence. I doubt the decision was taken lightly considering the possible implications of that outrage for troops on the ground. I may be wrong but I reckon the prosecution aren't entirely confident of securing convictions and need the plea bargain to be confident.
    Although it may very well be the case that the US also believes that it is in their best interests to implement justice and wrap this up as quickly as possible. A plea bargain is the best way of achieving a speedy conclusion. Until these men are punished this incident will be a coup for terrorist organizations throughout the region so its in the direct interest of America to move fast on the issue.

    Basically, its probably being used to ensure quick convictions but on an issue as sensitive as this I doubt costs come into it. I suppose offering a plea bargain in this instance is a calculated concession that guarantees convictions for those culpable and will hopefully lessen the risk for troops on the ground (by quelling the backlash with quick convictions). Its true that justice isn't fully being done to all involved but a prolonged trial that could result in acquittals is not worth thinking about.

    *I'm not a lawyer merely a law student so I may be wrong*
    Last edited by NeilE; 22 Mar 11,, 00:10.

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  • kato
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    Is this the same story that was on SpiegelTV a couple days ago? They were showing pretty extensive footage of the "kill team", both in their camp, on patrol and of the lengthy confession by Winfield in a one-on-one with a MP. Partially commented by a photographer who was embedded with them for some time.

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
    Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.
    If true Dave i hope there are strings attached ,,,,,,,,,,,right around their disgusting knecks ,,,moronic bastards .

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  • T_igger_cs_30
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    Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
    Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.
    Yes I agree Dave, pretty damning, maybe a lawyer can help out here, but in cases like this why would plea bargaining for lesser sentences even be an option, if this all turned out to be true they deserves nothing less than the death sentence.

    Is plea bargaining an easy option and way to wrap things up quickly and cheaply more than about seing justice done to all involved?

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  • dave lukins
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    Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.

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  • Hitman817
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    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a29_1300683614

    Disgusting.

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  • 1979
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    Originally posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Ok this has the potential to be a huge mess, lets hope cool heads prevail here................ my first comment is I hope this evidence shown by the 2 newspapers in question has been validated and proved to be factual and not tampered with............and dont you think it is interesting that these appear today as we head up a new campaign in Lybia........ I cannot answer for the speigel but I know for sure its a stunt the Gaurdian would pull.
    or the nytimes

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  • T_igger_cs_30
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    Ok this has the potential to be a huge mess, lets hope cool heads prevail here................ my first comment is I hope this evidence shown by the 2 newspapers in question has been validated and proved to be factual and not tampered with............and dont you think it is interesting that these appear today as we head up a new campaign in Lybia........ I cannot answer for the speigel but I know for sure its a stunt the Gaurdian would pull.

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  • Tarek Morgen
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    Links to the Spiegel's & Guardians articles(warning might contain graphic & disturbing images):

    The 'Kill Team' Images: US Army Apologizes for Horrific Photos from Afghanistan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

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