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  • US Soldiers Murder and Mutilate Innocent Afghans and Pose for Pictures

    Firstly, my sympathies for the victims. It looks like the fall out from this incident is going to be a lot worse than Abu Ghraib. Der Spiegel claims to possess over 4,400 images and videos. Three of the images can be seen here

    The alleged actions of those soldiers has just put countless soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan under even more threat.


    Two US army soldiers allegedly involved in a 12-man "kill team"accused of murdering Afghan civilians for sport have been shown in leaked photographs posing with one of their victims.

    Specialist Jeremy Morlock and Private Andrew Holmes are shown holding up the head of a man identified by Germany's Der Spiegel newspaper as Gul Mudin, an unarmed Afghan they are accused of killing on January 15, 2010.


    Der Spiegel uncovered around 4,000 photos and videos taken by the so-called kill squad. The images released on Sunday were covered by a judicial order from a military court prohibiting their dissemination, and it was unclear how the newspaper obtained them.

    "Today Der Spiegel published photographs depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States Army," the army said in a statement released by Colonel Thomas Collins.

    "We apologise for the distress these photos cause."

    Their publication has sparked fears of a backlash against armed forces in Afghanistan.


    Morlock has pleaded guilty to three charges of murder and will be sentenced at a court martial on Wednesday. Holmes has also been charged with Mudin's death.

    Three other soldiers are charged with murder, while seven are charged with trying to block the investigation, using a controlled drug and "wrongfully photographing and possessing visual images of human casualties." All 12 men belonged to the 5th Stryker Briagde, 2nd Infantry Division.

    Holmes and Morlock were on guard at the edge of a poppy field on one side of a wall when Mudin began to approach from the other side, according to reports.

    Another member of the squad, Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, allegedly handed a grenade to Morlock, who then armed and dropped it on the other side of the wall. Holmes opened fire on Mudin, the grenade exploded, and then other soldiers opened fire as well.
    From the Guardian :

    In one incident in May last year, the article says, during a patrol, the team apprehended a mullah who was standing by the road and took him into a ditch where they made him kneel down.

    The group's leader, Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, then allegedly threw a grenade at the man while an order was given for him to be shot.

    Afterwards, Gibbs is described cutting off one of the man's little fingers and removing a tooth.

    Things are going to get very messy. Withdrawal from Aghanistan could be seriously scuppered if the security situation deteriorates following this leak.
    Last edited by NeilE; 21 Mar 11,, 18:18.

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    Links to the Spiegel's & Guardians articles(warning might contain graphic & disturbing images):

    The 'Kill Team' Images: US Army Apologizes for Horrific Photos from Afghanistan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

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    • #3
      Ok this has the potential to be a huge mess, lets hope cool heads prevail here................ my first comment is I hope this evidence shown by the 2 newspapers in question has been validated and proved to be factual and not tampered with............and dont you think it is interesting that these appear today as we head up a new campaign in Lybia........ I cannot answer for the speigel but I know for sure its a stunt the Gaurdian would pull.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
        Ok this has the potential to be a huge mess, lets hope cool heads prevail here................ my first comment is I hope this evidence shown by the 2 newspapers in question has been validated and proved to be factual and not tampered with............and dont you think it is interesting that these appear today as we head up a new campaign in Lybia........ I cannot answer for the speigel but I know for sure its a stunt the Gaurdian would pull.
        or the nytimes
        J'ai en marre.

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        • #5
          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a29_1300683614

          Disgusting.

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          • #6
            Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
              Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.
              Yes I agree Dave, pretty damning, maybe a lawyer can help out here, but in cases like this why would plea bargaining for lesser sentences even be an option, if this all turned out to be true they deserves nothing less than the death sentence.

              Is plea bargaining an easy option and way to wrap things up quickly and cheaply more than about seing justice done to all involved?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
                Pretty damning stuff. I'm not into this plea bargaining stuff and if guilty they should receive the full weight of the Law, without strings attached.
                If true Dave i hope there are strings attached ,,,,,,,,,,,right around their disgusting knecks ,,,moronic bastards .

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                • #9
                  Is this the same story that was on SpiegelTV a couple days ago? They were showing pretty extensive footage of the "kill team", both in their camp, on patrol and of the lengthy confession by Winfield in a one-on-one with a MP. Partially commented by a photographer who was embedded with them for some time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
                    Is plea bargaining an easy option and way to wrap things up quickly and cheaply more than about seing justice done to all involved?
                    It can be though I suspect in this case that it is being used first and foremost to ensure that convictions are secured for all of the accused. There is going to be considerable outrage in Afghanistan that one of the co-accused is getting a reduced sentence. I doubt the decision was taken lightly considering the possible implications of that outrage for troops on the ground. I may be wrong but I reckon the prosecution aren't entirely confident of securing convictions and need the plea bargain to be confident.
                    Although it may very well be the case that the US also believes that it is in their best interests to implement justice and wrap this up as quickly as possible. A plea bargain is the best way of achieving a speedy conclusion. Until these men are punished this incident will be a coup for terrorist organizations throughout the region so its in the direct interest of America to move fast on the issue.

                    Basically, its probably being used to ensure quick convictions but on an issue as sensitive as this I doubt costs come into it. I suppose offering a plea bargain in this instance is a calculated concession that guarantees convictions for those culpable and will hopefully lessen the risk for troops on the ground (by quelling the backlash with quick convictions). Its true that justice isn't fully being done to all involved but a prolonged trial that could result in acquittals is not worth thinking about.

                    *I'm not a lawyer merely a law student so I may be wrong*
                    Last edited by NeilE; 22 Mar 11,, 00:10.

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                    • #11
                      old news, the ringleader is already charged with conspiracy and murder. Gibbs not only took pics, but also finger bones and went out and got skull tatoos. Luckily for the US the Army is already on top of this. Gibbs will likely be executed and families have likely already gotten compensation.

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                      • #12
                        These scum have soiled their uniforms and tarnished the reputation of their unit by their association with it, I hope they receive a full measure of justice. The name Morlock reminds me of the monsters in the old movie Time Machine, creepy things they were.
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                        • #13
                          NeilE Reply

                          I guess I'm confused by the purpose for this thread and its location. Jeremy Morlock was charged for his crimes in early June, 2010. That was over nine months ago. Neil, are you only now aware of that and the serious and heinous nature of those crimes? Further, do you need pictures for the story to be fully revealed?

                          Legal proceedings are well advanced. What, therefore, explains your new-found concern? Those courts martial proceedings are slated for Wednesday, I believe, at Ft. Lewis, Washington.

                          Finally, as noted above, the case shall be heard in the state of Washington. Why is it, therefore, located in this section of the forum? It would seem this is an American military judicial matter and rightfully belongs in the American politics section.

                          As it's not the first time soldiers have been charged with crimes while under uniform and since the news of these events reaches well before the above indictment date, it would seem that whatever tactical/operational impact to be derived by the enemy and their sympathizers is minimal. If so, does this thread really belong in the WoT section of this board? What do you think about this thread being moved?
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                          • #14
                            This was the first time I've heard about this, after this thread, and on the news. Has there been a previous thread? I thought the news would of covered it alot sooner, since charges have been filed 9 months ago. Or whats the new developments now? That pictures have been leaked or something? I doubt the military released them...
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                            • #15
                              Dago Reply

                              Where've you been? In a cave?

                              U.S. Soldiers Face Courts Martial Over Afghan Killings-BBC 15 Oct, 2010

                              U.S. Army Sergeant Described As Ringleader In Slaying Of Afghan Civilians-L.A. Times Sept. 28, 2010

                              Jeremy Morlock, U.S. Soldier, Charged For Murder In Three Afghan Civilian Deaths-Huffington Post, June 4, 2010

                              Hope that helps.
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