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    LA police teach Marines how to train Afghan police
    By JULIE WATSON, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 32 mins ago

    LOS ANGELES A tough-talking, muscular Los Angeles police sergeant steadily rattled off tips to a young Marine riding shotgun as they raced in a patrol car to a drug bust: Be aware of your surroundings. Watch people's body language. Build rapport.

    Marine Lt. Andrew Abbott, 23, took it all in as he peered out at the graffiti-covered buildings, knowing that the lessons he learned recently in one of the city's toughest neighborhoods could help him soon in the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    "People are the center of gravity and if you do everything you can to protect them, then they'll protect you," he said. "That's something true here and pretty much everywhere."

    Abbott was among 70 Camp Pendleton Marines in a training exercise that aims to adapt the investigative techniques the LAPD has used for decades against violent street gangs to take on the Taliban more as a powerful drug-trafficking mob than an insurgency.

    The Marines hope that learning to work like a cop on a beat will help them better track the Taliban, build relationships with Afghans leery of foreign troops and make them better teachers as they try to professionalize an Afghan police force beset by corruption.

    The troops believe they can learn valuable lessons from the LAPD, which has made inroads into communities after highly publicized abuses, from the videotaped beating of Rodney King to corruption in an anti-gang unit.

    "Their role is to win the hearts and minds of the community and that's what they did," said Marine Staff Sgt. Brendan Flynn, who also works as a Los Angeles police officer and will be deployed to help train Afghan police.

    The weeklong exercise unbeknownst to the public involved Marines dressed in jeans and T-shirts observing drugs busts, witnessing prostitution arrests and even following a murder case. It was the largest group of Marines to embed with the city's officers.

    Abbott, of Long Island, N.Y., rode with Sgt. Arno Clair, a 16-year veteran with salt-and-pepper hair who swims up to a mile a day.

    During their afternoon together, police handcuffed a bus driver moments after he was caught by an undercover officer with $25,000 worth of crack cocaine outside an apartment complex in a south-central Los Angeles neighborhood long plagued by violent gangs.

    The tattooed suspect wearing an earring and baggy shorts seemed a world away from the ragtag, Kalashnikov-toting Taliban fighters, just as the streets of south-central Los Angeles are from the dusty villages of mud-brick houses in Afghanistan.

    But in many ways, police in Los Angeles' crime-ridden neighborhoods use the same skills that Marines say could help them.

    Marines are in charge of training Afghanistan's army and police but often have no police experience themselves. Their success in building effective police forces is considered key to stabilizing the country and allowing foreign troops to withdraw.

    Marines also are changing their approach, realizing that marching into towns to show force alienates communities. Instead, they are being taught to fan out with interpreters to strike up conversations with truck drivers, money exchangers, cell phone sellers and others.

    The rapport building can net valuable information that could even alert troops about potential attacks.

    Marines can gather intelligence by picking up the notebooks, receipts and other papers left behind in raids that could provide insight into the opium business the Taliban uses to buy their weapons, Afghan expert Gretchen Peters said.

    She told Marines before the Los Angeles patrols that they should follow the lead of some Afghans who have gone from using the term "mujahadeen" or "holy warrior" to identify the Taliban to calling them gangsters.

    That, she said, shows how fed up the villagers are with being extorted by them and calling them gangsters will win them over.

    "Think of the Taliban as the Sopranos in turbans," she said. "I think essentially they're criminals."

    Peters, who has written extensively about the Taliban being a criminal network, has been talking to troops across the country before they deploy to Helmand Province, a top opium-producing region.

    Afghanistan supplies 90 percent of the world's opium, the main ingredient of heroin, and is also the leading global supplier of hashish. Last year, opium seizures soared 924 percent because of better cooperation between Afghan and international forces.

    In the end, the police training mission is what will win the war, said Marine 2nd Lt. Jared Siebenaler, 24, of Hastings, Minn., who spent the past six months training police in Afghanistan. But he acknowledged their police mission faces enormous challenges.

    Siebenaler said many recruits tested positive for drugs, arriving to work high on hashish if they came at all. Supervisors were believed to be skimming money off their officers' measly salaries. One force had men from two tribes who could barely stand each other.

    And then there's the language barrier between Marines and the Afghan police.

    But like most police work, getting past issues of trust and cultural difference begins with a brief encounter on a street.

    As Clair and Abbott cruised past a row of dilapidated homes, the police sergeant told him to notice how a person's walk and dress changes from street to street, and whether children are playing or hurrying by.

    Crime here increases with summer's heat, he said, encouraging Abbott to identify the violence-trigger in Afghanistan, such as at the end of the poppy harvest.

    "What's happenin,' man?" Clair said, waving his hand out his window to a man who looked away in disgust.

    "If they are on the fence about police and they say 'hi' back, then at least we've dealt with that issue, and if they don't, then at least I know who I'm dealing with around here," he told Abbott.

    Abbott, following Clair's example, waved to a woman in the street. She waved back.

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    Original Article: LA police teach Marines how to train Afghan police - Yahoo! News

  • #2
    Wrong lessons.

    The Marines are trying to learn what the LAPD is doing right. That`s all good and dandy but the Afghan National Police ain`t interested in becoming a professional police force, it`s interested in becoming the biggest mafia on the block.


    • #3
      OoE Reply

      "That`s all good and dandy but the Afghan National Police ain`t interested in becoming a professional police force, it`s interested in becoming the biggest mafia on the block."


      Beyond our means to reverse in any meaningful fashion too. Worse, we're enablers through other American/internat'l conduits.
      "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
      "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester Bangs


      • #4
        But how else are stateside Marines to waste time and money? Here is what gets me though. In 1985, US Army MP training was only rivaled by NYPD training. Why is the Marine corps looking for police training from LAPD? Is the Marine corps school sucking wind or something? Has military police training degraded to the point that civilian agencies are needed for schooling?

        I also just realized that the article didn't specify if these were MPs being trained. If they are regular grunts, why isn't thier fellow MPs training them in these tactics, and further, why the hell are we developing this touchy feely, community policing crap to warfighters!?


        • #5
          IIRC, knowing these lessons helped immensely in Iraq-- soldiers and Marines were better prepared in identifying insurgent networks and the criminal networks that helped fund/support the insurgents, and most difficult to do, create the criminal case which they could pass on to a working judicial system.

          from everything i've read, this seems to be the second turning point in the Iraq War, when we helped the Iraqis establish a halfway competent judiciary, with a prison system that did a fair job in ensuring that small fish weren't ideologically brainwashed by the hardcore fellas in jail.

          the first turning point in securing baghdad, and the third being the establishment of competent security forces.

          petraeus is right, though, in saying that afghanistan is a harder case. i can see how police training will help the Marines better establish local security, but the Afghan judicial system makes the Iraqis look good in comparison.
          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov