Al-Qaida Leaders Killed in Iraq

[Shek]

I read the first post of the thread, it wasn't properly debunked at all and most arguments given in that first post were themselfes proven wrong in later posts. But you can play with numbers if you want, give a few, take a few, the situation remains the same.

Actually, it's take a lot away and changes things close to an order of magnitude.

The Roberts et al study hasn't been replicated, it applied methodology in a very questionable manner, benchmarked poorly with pre-war mortality figures, doesn't benchmark well with other conflicts, doesn't benchmark well against other post-war conflict death counts, uses timing that biases figures upwards, can't account for some pre-war actions that biases figures upwards (i.e., the counterfactual of no war), had little to no transparency in peer review relative to other studies, and was written by someone with presupposed outcomes (not fire, but smoke in light of other fires that adds to the totality of the questionable scientific methodology used).

I'd love to hear how you find it "not debunked" and credible, as it brings into question your own credibility and judgment given the evidence stacked against it.

[Aryajet]

Islam claims and identifies its perceived enemies, but no enemy has been mentioned and emphasized on like "Hypocrisy". According to that religion a hypocrite is # 1 enemy of allah, far more than an infidel or an idolater.
And yet these snot nosed jihadists don't mind being 1 if it serves them.

[Aryajet]

I was only speculating about possible scenarios of after the war. But supporting forces inside a country which are friendly towards you, against forces which are hostile, is different from occupying another country. If Iran invaded Iraq, it's citizens would have as much right to attack Iranian soldiers as they have now to attack American soldiers. Occupiers are occupiers, it doesn't matter from which country they come.

No! They don't have the right to fight. Majority of the insurgents are not even from Iraq. If they were Iraqis they would not blow up schools, produce markets, hospitals, bus stations and kill innocent civilians mostly women and children.

Real Iraqis hate their guts and they showed it by their overwhelming presence on ballet boxes for the second time.

BTW: Allies and NATO went there and removed 2 of the Iran's most arch enemies, Saddam and Taliban. You don't have to appreciate that but you can cut down on hot air.

[JAD_333]

... You don't have to appreciate that but you can cut down on hot air.

Sir:

I am sure you can find a more congenial way to describe his utterances.

-jad

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Aryajet Reply

Kermanshahi is SOOOO deposed, dead and disposed. Let us not write ill of the not-so-dearly departed.

[Aryajet]

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Kermanshahi is SOOOO deposed, dead and disposed. Let us not write ill of the not-so-dearly departed.

Point Taken Sir!
Didn't notice the title and I personally will miss the entertainment.:D

[Ararat]

This shows how little you know about what actually happened in Iraq, thinking only in terms of "the insurgents" who try to kill civilians and the governmetn which tries to protect civilians. The realities were infact so much different, it was a secterian civil war which divided both insurgents and security forces. Majority of civilians were infact killed by (Shi'a) policemen who misused their positions as police to kill Sunni civilians in revenge for the Shi'a killed by Sunni Wahabis and Ba'athists. I reccomend you watch this: The Death Squads

In case you are still around and read this your own statement above refutes your Genocide claims. I hate it when people just throw this word around just to make it look worst or push their own agendas (in your case).

Genocide is a State sponsored race extermination of its own citizens in planned stages........the actual killing is only one of the eight stages of Genocide. Sectarian murder, civil war, revenge killings do not qualify, not to mention different religious sects are not different races of people - they are all Iraqis - and Shias and Sunnis have been at each others throats since ancient history, who you kidding.

You don't sound like an Iranian to me.

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A.Q.I Strikes Tikrit Police Recruitment Center

Just a reminder as we depart Iraq that not just new divisions might be arising but old struggles still remain an immutable part of the mosaic over fifty Iraqi police recruits were killed by a suicide bomber while queing up for a recruitment drive. Another 150 or so are estimated to be wounded by the blast-

Suicide Bomber Kills Dozens In Tikrit-WAPO Jan. 18, 2011

"Tuesday's attack, however, called into question the ability of the Iraqi security forces to deter the kind of mass casualty suicide bombings that are generally blamed on the fading but still active organization al-Qaeda in Iraq."