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  • routine discoveries of balochi civilian bodies in the gutters?
    ethnic balochi journalists mysteriously turning up dead?


    Balochistan immediately resembles me of srilanka. Over there its dead tamil civilians and tamil journalists getting shot point blank by mysterious gunmens

    We have separatists in kashmir too but contrary to balochistan, all kashmiri separatists are very much alive and kicking(and burning the place down too ).
    Last edited by anil; 02 Oct 13,, 17:02.

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    • Originally posted by anil View Post
      routine discoveries of balochi civilian bodies in the gutters?
      ethnic balochi journalists mysteriously turning up dead?
      Please don't ignore the 'routine massacres of non-Baloch laborers, educators and workers', or the 'routine massacres of ethnic Baloch educators and workers' perceived to be 'pro-Pakistan', at the hands of terrorist groups lionized by the likes of 1980, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and assorted terrorist apologists.
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      • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
        Please don't ignore the 'routine massacres of non-Baloch laborers, educators and workers', or the 'routine massacres of ethnic Baloch educators and workers' perceived to be 'pro-Pakistan', at the hands of terrorist groups lionized by the likes of 1980, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and assorted terrorist apologists.
        Standard guerilla approach and a standard response from Pak security forces.

        We've seen this movie before cinema was invented.
        Those who know don't speak
        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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        • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
          Standard guerilla approach and a standard response from Pak security forces.
          No arguments about that - merely pointing out that the groups/separatists/terrorists lionized by some in the US Congress and elsewhere as representing some sort of 'bulwark of secularism, democracy, tolerance and freedom' are nothing more than murderers and terrorists.
          Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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          • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
            Please don't ignore the 'routine massacres of non-Baloch laborers, educators and workers', or the 'routine massacres of ethnic Baloch educators and workers' perceived to be 'pro-Pakistan', at the hands of terrorist groups lionized by the likes of 1980, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and assorted terrorist apologists.
            My friend, in north east part of india, we have bengali and bihari labourers regularly turning up dead in gutters. They are executed by militants operating in those regions.

            The main point is, they don't want non-locals in their territory. It is just the price india pays for militarily occupying parts of north-east india.

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            • Originally posted by anil View Post
              My friend, in north east part of india, we have bengali and bihari labourers regularly turning up dead in gutters. They are executed by militants operating in those regions.

              The main point is, they don't want non-locals in their territory. It is just the price india pays for militarily occupying parts of north-east india.
              And I would call the militants executing non-combatants, solely on the basis of their ethnicity, terrorists, just as I would call groups like the BLA, BLF terrorists. Xenophobia is not rational or valid justification for these kinds of depraved acts.

              In the case of Balochistan, in many cases the non-Baloch ethnic groups that are attacked by these terrorist groups have lived in the region for generations, they are not new immigrants forced into Balochistan.
              Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 02 Oct 13,, 17:23.
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              • @Agnostic Muslim

                The durrand line is real. You already know what is bound to happen. If the pakistani states status quo is on borrowed time then what are you doing in that time?

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                • Originally posted by anil View Post
                  @Agnostic Muslim

                  The durrand line is real. You already know what is bound to happen. If the pakistani states status quo is on borrowed time then what are you doing in that time?
                  The Durand Line is certainly the 'real' international border. The Baloch separatists in Balochistan are not going to be any more interested in being a minority in some hypothetical country created out of a merger with Afghanistan with a Pashtun majority than they are currently, nor are the majority of Pashtun in Pakistan (twice as many as the Pashtun in all of Afghanistan) interested in breaking off from Pakistan and joining Afghanistan.

                  So, I am not really sure what you mean by 'The Pakistani State's status quo on borrowed time'.
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                  • AM, you read them wrong. The crop is not yet ready for harvest

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                    • Originally posted by anil View Post
                      AM, you read them wrong. The crop is not yet ready for harvest
                      The actual conditions on the ground need to be conducive for a crop to be planted in the first place. Hoping for a harvest when the soil is barren is more along the lines of self-delusion.
                      Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                      • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                        it is just as likely that the sentiments expressed were genuine given the potential links between these particular villagers and the terrorists/separatists, but extrapolating 'wide-spread hostility towards Pakistan' from that is disingenuous.
                        "Resentment against the army and the official paramilitary force, the Frontier Corps, is not limited to a few villages. It runs deep in Balochistan, Pakistan's largest province in terms of area, rich in resources, but also its most impoverished region."

                        Thats what Shahzeb Jillani reports, and he's not alone in his reporting of that sentiment. This thread is full of numerous articles by journalists who have actually been to Balochistan and reported the same thing, both foreign and Pakistani. You think you're a more credible source of information than these people are? lol.



                        If you have an issue with these reports, take it up with the BBC, Reuters, AP, AFP, Al-Jazeera, or any number of other media, human rights orgs or think tanks that carry reports on Balochistan's conflict with Pakistan. Here we're just sharing information and discussing what gets reported from time to time.

                        I havent posted anything from actual Baloch sources i observe, because they are no doubt biased and carry an agenda, just like Pakistani ones do. But i have scanned many Baloch blogs, forums and other online media for years now, and there is a consistent contempt and hatred spread through all of them against Pakistan. Something that has been corroborated for years by journalists and others who've actually been to Balochistan to investigate whats really going on there. Hence, no doubt, the evolution of the Baloch rebellion from a campaign of largely sabotage several years ago to one that is now engaged in more serious violence and acts of terrorism too across a wider area than in past years.

                        But by all means, keep your head buried in the dirt as that obviously suits you better.
                        Last edited by JAD_333; 03 Oct 13,, 13:08.

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                        • 1980:

                          I think we can do without the third paragraph of your last post. Please edit it out.
                          To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                          • Originally posted by 1980s View Post
                            "Resentment against the army and the official paramilitary force, the Frontier Corps, is not limited to a few villages. It runs deep in Balochistan, Pakistan's largest province in terms of area, rich in resources, but also its most impoverished region."

                            Thats what Shahzeb Jillani reports, and he's not alone in his reporting of that sentiment. This thread is full of numerous articles by journalists who have actually been to Balochistan and reported the same thing, both foreign and Pakistani. You think you're a more credible source of information than these people are? lol.


                            If you have an issue with these reports, take it up with the BBC, Reuters, AP, AFP, Al-Jazeera, or any number of other media, human rights orgs or think tanks that carry reports on Balochistan's conflict with Pakistan. Here we're just sharing information and discussing what gets reported from time to time.

                            I havent posted anything from actual Baloch sources i observe, because they are no doubt biased and carry an agenda, just like Pakistani ones do. But i have scanned many Baloch blogs, forums and other online media for years now, and there is a consistent contempt and hatred spread through all of them against Pakistan. Something that has been corroborated for years by journalists and others who've actually been to Balochistan to investigate whats really going on there. Hence, no doubt, the evolution of the Baloch rebellion from a campaign of largely sabotage several years ago to one that is now engaged in more serious violence and acts of terrorism too across a wider area than in past years.

                            But by all means, keep your head buried in the dirt as that obviously suits you better.
                            but my friend Balochistan is not all about Baloch Now

                            half of them are Pashtuns and other tribes.and they differ from what a small %age of Baloch think or wish for

                            With the creation of new Provinces in Pakistan.The Balochistan aswell is said to be divided to 3 New provinces and this would very well happen within this Govt

                            Balochistan into

                            *Pashtun province under the ancient Godar Name
                            *Gwadar Province with the adjacent majority of the coastal areas of Present balochistan
                            *Balochistan or the Central Balochistan with Kalat as the capital

                            And this is not on Paper.I can provide more info/Data and steps taken regarding this officially.The Baloch Leaders has now even agreed to the creation of Pashtun dominated province in Balochistan.

                            So Balochistan May be the largest province of Pakistan/Rich in resources/And having Gwadar Port but this is all only limited to the couple of next years
                            Other than this please give off a look to the history of Balochistan and how it was formed
                            Last edited by JAD_333; 03 Oct 13,, 13:08.

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                            • Originally posted by 1980s View Post
                              "Resentment against the army and the official paramilitary force, the Frontier Corps, is not limited to a few villages. It runs deep in Balochistan, Pakistan's largest province in terms of area, rich in resources, but also its most impoverished region."

                              Thats what Shahzeb Jillani reports,
                              He reports that based on what exactly? Did he 'canvass opinion' across all of Balochistan? You are not just 'sharing information', you are posting comments agreeing with the opinions expressed in the articles you 'share', and therefore your 'opinions' (and those in the articles you share) are subject to criticism and disagreement.

                              That said, the Frontier Corps does have a bad reputation (as do similar paramilitary units in other provinces) - it is a paramilitary force that has traditionally not been as disciplined or well trained as the Army (though significant efforts have been made to try and change that over the last several years) and therefore has alienated people in the areas it has been deployed in.

                              However, distrust or resentment towards the FC does not automatically mean 'widespread hostility towards Pakistan' - perhaps you should read the comments more carefully.
                              Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 03 Oct 13,, 12:52.
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