Go to jail or join jihad against India: ISI tells surrendered Taliban

[Tronic]

Go to jail or join jihad against India: ISI tells surrendered Taliban

NEW DELHI: In a new shift in tactics, Pakistan is planning to push as many as 60 "surrendered" Taliban into Jammu and Kashmir to become part of
the "jihad" against India. The ISI is said to have offered the extremists the option of either going to jail or crossing the Line of Control. ( Watch Video )

The "jail or jihad" option offered to the Taliban seems a useful diversion for ISI. The Pakistan military establishment has had to fight the Taliban, once its close allies in Afghanistan, but is looking to turn the situation to its advantage.

Apprehensions in Indian security circles that the crackdown by the Pakistan army on Taliban — seen as a last resort after the jihadis turned their guns on the Pakistani state — could mean trouble in Kashmir are being proved correct. Not only have infiltration attempts by regular jihadi outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba gone up, the presence of Taliban poses a new threat.

Highly placed sources said BSF and the Army had been alerted about the developments after intelligence intercepted talk about infiltration bids in the next 15 to 20 days.

"Although the Taliban is yet to successfully infiltrate into India, the coming days will pose a challenge as their attempts to sneak in are expected before the onset of winter," said a senior official. The infiltration is closely controlled and monitored by the ISI and Pakistan army which is often involved in the crossings.

The issue cropped up as a major security concern during the two-day visit to Srinagar by a high-powered central team led by cabinet secretary K M Chandrashekhar and comprising home secretary G K Pillai, defence secretary Pradeep Kumar and other senior officials.

Top security and intelligence officials deliberated over the move by state actors in Pakistan to utilize the Taliban for their objectives in Kashmir. Taking note of the assessment, officials are learnt to have unequivocally noted during the reviews in Srinagar that there was no change in Pakistan's support to terror groups post 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks.

The Taliban, who recently fought against Pakistan army in Swat Valley and other areas along the Pak-Afghan border, were well trained and battle-hardened. They could put their experience of fighting US troops to use in Kashmir.

Apart from the group of 60, there are nearly 250 to 300 jihadis — armed with sophisticated weapons, Thuraya satellite phones and Indian mobile SIM cards — poised at launch pads along LoC. This feeds into the view that violence could escalate in J&K in the winter months.

The meeting in Srinagar, attended by senior Army and paramilitary personnel, also took note of repeated use of Pakistani Air Force helicopters to evacuate injured infiltrators along the LoC and as many as 42 terror camps in PoK and Pakistan.

"Such incidents (like use of choppers) clearly show the involvement of Pakistani authorities in facilitating infiltration. Though our forces are fully alert to thwart Pakistani designs, the next 15-20 days are quite crucial as this is the period when they will do everything to infiltrate as many terrorists as possible," said a senior official. That is when winter will begin to set in.
Go to jail or join jihad against India: ISI tells surrendered Taliban - India - The Times of India

Unsurprising, and it seems cowardice has no bounds. Why are we not assassinating every ISI head which pops up? ISI is a terrorist organization. Period.

[Kernow]

Oh dear, not good news.

[Tronic]

ISI trying to push Taliban into India: Report

New Delhi: In view of increased diplomatic pressure from the international community, especially from the US, to act swiftly against the Taliban; reports now suggested that Pakistan is now trying to push in surrendered militants into India.

According to intelligence inputs, Pak’s spy agency the ISI has given the surrendered Taliban fighters, as a result of its military offensive against the militia in the tribal regions, two options: Either rot in jail or continue with terrorism, but this time across the Line of Control (LoC) in India.

Intelligence agencies have recently intercepted telephonic conversations between top ISI officials and Taliban commanders about carrying more infiltration bids in the days to come.

With the continued military and financial aid from the US, Pakistan had increased pressure on the Taliban militia and tactically devised this new strategy of turning militia’s loss into its advantage. ISI wants to take advantage of Taliban’s experience of fighting the American forces and their knowledge of modern warfare against India in a clandestine manner.

However, the Indian security agencies and armed forces are fully prepared for Taliban’s possible attempt to push its fighters into the Indian side.

As per intelligence reports, as many as 60 Taliban fighters are waiting for the right time to infiltrate into the Indian side by crossing the LoC. Pakistan military choppers are being used to evacuate and carry surrendered Taliban fighters near the Indian border.

As of now, the Indian intelligence agencies are closely monitored the activities across the international border since ISI actually supports infiltration attempts along LoC.

According to reports, the inputs gathered by the intelligence agencies and the situation arising out of it were thoroughly discussed during a meeting of a high-powered central team led by Cabinet Secretary K M Chandrashekhar and comprising Home Secretary G K Pillai, Defence Secretary Pradeep Kumar and other senior officials in Srinagar.
ISI trying to push Taliban into India: Report

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[Tronic]

Oh dear, not good news.

They will never learn until it is too late, and their own terrorists give them the boot out of Islamabad and take over!

[Kernow]

Get your R.O.E. in place in a hurry.

[Tronic]

Get your R.O.E. in place in a hurry.

For good or for worse, they've already been in place mate. No heavy weapons, no artillery strikes, no air strikes.

[Cactus]

For good or for worse, they've already been in place mate. No heavy weapons, no artillery strikes, no air strikes.

In Jammu&Kashmir at least the security forces are keyed up to deal with such infiltrators, even with these constraints (most of which I absolutely agree with, by the way, in all but the most extraneous circumstances). Lots of security forces, everyone knows their roles, a lot of info flows in, the place is divided up into neat damage-containing grids with mutually supportive QRTs etc. Even the civilians know what to expect and the more patriotic ones train with VDCs.

The same cannot be said for rest of India, which is woefully unprepared to deal with such attackers. True, nowadays every cop in major cities seems to be carrying AKs and SLRs ~ but that instills very little confidence in me. Arming only a fourth of them, but providing them better training, mobile command centers, on-call armor (can't imagine wearing BPJs all the time in Indian summer) etc. would have been more effective. But the emphasis only seems to get a number of boots on the ground and hope they somehow manage against drug-addled Talibs with a death-wish. The civilians are even worse prepared to deal with the situation.

[Tronic]

In Jammu&Kashmir at least the security forces are keyed up to deal with such infiltrators, even with these constraints (most of which I absolutely agree with, by the way, in all but the most extraneous circumstances). Lots of security forces, everyone knows their roles, a lot of info flows in, the place is divided up into neat damage-containing grids with mutually supportive QRTs etc. Even the civilians know what to expect and the more patriotic ones train with VDCs.

The same cannot be said for rest of India, which is woefully unprepared to deal with such attackers. True, nowadays every cop in major cities seems to be carrying AKs and SLRs ~ but that instills very little confidence in me. Arming only a fourth of them, but providing them better training, mobile command centers, on-call armor (can't imagine wearing BPJs all the time in Indian summer) etc. would have been more effective. But the emphasis only seems to get a number of boots on the ground and hope they somehow manage against drug-addled Talibs with a death-wish. The civilians are even worse prepared to deal with the situation.

Totally agree with the assessment. I think the NSG should also provide some sort of training to the local cops, or atleast a specialized group of local cops in some tactics and training to hold off/corner the terrorists until the NSG can effectively finish them off. During the Mumbai attacks, the Marcos had to be called in to play that role, but the city was lucky the Marcos were deployed in Mumbai at the time; what would have happened in another metro? The terrorists would have been able to be far more destructive.

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The idiot that came up with that policy should be shot on the spot. The US should pull all funding from Pak if that is their view. Not one dam cent and we will still continue to hunt within their borders. Let India slaughter them I say they have every right.

[Cactus]

The idiot that came up with that policy should be shot on the spot. The US should pull all funding from Pak if that is their view. Not one dam cent and we will still continue to hunt within their borders. Let India slaughter them I say they have every right.

1. It has been the standard policy since early 1990s to scrape out the bottom of prisons and refugee camps. The average life-span of a foreign infiltrator in Jammu&Kashmir can be measured in weeks and months; hours if a particularly alert and well-informed Indian unit is out at night.
2. The US cannot and will not pull its funding from Pakistan - its main logistical lines in Afghanistan run up from Pakistan, and the Paks have no qualms about using it to keep the goodies flowing their way. It is extremely naive of anybody to expect the US to jeopardize its supply lines to make a point for Indians. The US may do it anyway to punish the Paks for the havoc they are causing in A'stan directly against US interests, but that is a different issue.
3. Indian forces have always hunted such terrorists, and they have always had that right of national self-defense. As Maj. DCL once put something to this effect, "We have 100% co-operation from their side. They keep coming, we keep killing." No change in that either.

So can we discuss something practical? Leave aside sensitive stuff like intelligence sharing, surveillance tech, UAVs etc. for the governments to negotiate over. Do you think they can work out some dual-purpose infrastructure development projects? Honestly India can use American expertise in emergency health-care, disaster rescue (ex. fire-fighting) and response management etc. And Americans are implicitly using Indian cooperation in not retaliating to various violent provocations coming from Pakistan. Let us face it, the tangos have all the advantages of initiative - when, where, how - while we can only invest in the fundamentals and hope to contain the damage. If the initiative is to be seized, it must be done at a strategic level - which both the Indian and the US govts have proven themselves incapable of at the moment - and lets leave it at that.

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Nope, Im sick of our governemnt funding Pakistan with taxpayer dollars, Pakistan in turn is not using it in the way agreed upon which means few things,

1) The funds are not reaching the military like they were supposed to do. This means they are not containing the problem like it was meant.
2) Pakistan people by pole dont like Americans and in alot of cases see the Americans as aggressors while breeding the like of AQ in the tribal zones.
3)Pakistans problems with India. If it were not for US negociations India would have drilled Pakistan good by now and every time it happens we stop India from doing what she needs to defend herself from those breed in the tribal zones.

I say we halt all funding until agreements are made and clear understanding has been reached with penalties if the agreements are broken. Until then..not one dime more.

Naive? Me thinks not. Particularly since the agreement is not being fufilled. They spend the money elsewhere while their forces that are supposed to protect those lines become underfunded and undermanned and infiltrated. So in other words were giving them plenty of money to protect something they are protecting at a much sub-standard level and the attacks are still happening. Now who is naive? I say we are for funding them without reassurance of exactly what we are getting for the money.