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  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

    Ok, some are calling this an intel failure. I read some where that the CIA pulled out 6 weeks prior as they were considered non essential.
    And yet we got actionable intelligence in less that 48 hours on the ISIS K planners.

    Do you really think the CIA and/or their assets pulled out over a month ago?

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    • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post

      And yet we got actionable intelligence in less that 48 hours on the ISIS K planners.
      From whom ?

      Sullivan said there was a threat. That seemed deductive to me.

      Just one runway. Easy target. Or a plane gets hit.

      That would complicate things.

      Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
      Do you really think the CIA and/or their assets pulled out over a month ago?
      Milley said they got nothing to indicate a fall in 11 days.

      Question remains. Whether advance warning would have altered plans for the pull out ?

      And would that have improved conditions for the withdrawal.

      I've already said i don't think it would have as the time was too short.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Aug 21,, 23:16.

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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

        From whom ?

        Sullivan said there was a threat. That seemed deductive to me.

        Just one runway. Easy target.
        Not what I'm posting about

        Afghanistan: US says drone strike killed IS-K planner

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58364743

        The US military says it believes it has killed a planner for the Afghan branch of the Islamic State group in a drone strike in the east of the country.

        The suspected member of the IS-K group was targeted in Nangarhar province.

        IS-K said it had carried out an attack outside Kabul airport on Thursday that may have killed as many as 170 people, including 13 US troops.

        A mass airlift has been under way at the airport since Taliban militants overran the capital this month.

        In the past two weeks, more than 100,000 people are believed to have been evacuated, with the deadline set by the US for its forces to leave Afghanistan expiring on Tuesday.

        President Joe Biden promised on Friday to hunt down the jihadists behind Thursday's suicide bombing.

        The US drone strike is the first reported in Afghanistan since Thursday's blast.

        Capt Bill Urban of Central Command said: "The unmanned airstrike occurred in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan. Initial indications are that we killed the target. We know of no civilian casualties."

        He described it as an "over-the-horizon counterterrorism operation".

        A Reaper drone, launched from the Middle East, struck the militant while he was in a car with another IS member, killing them both, an official told Reuters news agency.

        Most of IS-K's several thousand extremists are believed to be in hiding in the province, east of Kabul.



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        • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post

          Not what I'm posting about

          Afghanistan: US says drone strike killed IS-K planner

          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58364743
          Yes I imagine that tip would have come from our new "Afghan partners"

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          • Bingo, they hooked the Americans with that attack. They think the enemy is now IS. Taking out the trash. The TB's trash

            'We're going to have to go back in': Leon Panetta says US forces will have to RETURN to Afghanistan to tackle terror threats posed by Taliban and ISIS-K | Daily mail | Aug 27 2021

            He was asked if he believed it was right for the Biden administration to stick with the August 31 deadline for removing American troops from the war-torn country.

            'The bottom line is, our work is not done. We're going to have to go after ISIS. I'm glad the president said we're going to hunt them down and pay a price for what they did in killing our warriors. And we should,' Paneta said.

            'We're going to have to go back in to get ISIS. We're probably going to have to go back in when Al Qaeda resurrects itself, as they will, with this Taliban. They've gave safe haven to Al Qaeda before, they'll probably do it again.'

            He added: 'I understand that we're trying to get our troops out of there, but the bottom line is, we can leave a battlefield, but we can't leave the War on Terrorism, which still is a threat to our security.'
            In other words Bolton & Esper were right to oppose the withdrawal. But that got them fired.

            The US is going to have to keep going back in until it decides to tackle the real cause instead of continuing to treat the symptom..

            The time for equivocating about a nuclear-armed, Taliban-friendly Pakistan is over | WAPO (Op-Ed) | Aug 23 2021
            Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Aug 21,, 00:07.

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            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
              Are you saying if you had 30 days warning things would have happened differently ?
              No. Things would be still be a clusterfuck.

              Chimo

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              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                No. Things would be still be a clusterfuck.
                Right, what the civvies do not understand is that a withdrawal is way way more complicated than going in. None of us gets that and the media is not helping.

                I heard technical critiques of how this withdrawal could have been better planned but they miss one important point.

                Overall there was a dependency that the ANA would not fold.

                So people say well what was the contingency in case ANA did fold.

                We're seeing it now. The optics are bad but evacuations ARE WORKING. They had to reinforce by sending a few more troops.

                What you are not seeing is American soldiers being paraded as hostage trophies. That would be failure.

                Because then it would be clear they did not have a plan B.

                They did. It's not pretty but its working.

                The military has to make the best of a crap situation and some how they always do.

                So all the critiques on withdrawal are looking at the wrong place.

                Don't look at the withdrawal but the decision to withdraw. The political decision.

                Feb 2020, Doha what Trump worked out. He had his pressures. Margin for victory is tight. COVID just started, election year and he just could not pass on this even to the point of disregarding competent advice so as to retain office. Biden's hands were tied after that decision was made. He had to go along. Amrullah's argument is Biden should have reneged since the terms of agreement were being violated by the other side. And we saw how the TB keeps to its word because no agreement entails the TB taking over the country while the allies were in the process of withdrawing !!

                The argument is keeping a small number of troops there would not have made much difference costs wise and averted this disaster.

                It does mean being posted there for an undetermined time. The Afghans didn't want the US out. The Paks did.

                US forces in Germany, Korea, Japan and the ME not leaving any time soon.

                Trump's counter is why should the US be net provider of security to its adversaries.
                Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Aug 21,, 14:36.

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                • U.S., 97 other countries announce deal with Taliban to keep evacuating allies after Aug. 31

                  The United States, along with 97 other countries, announced Sunday that they had reached an agreement with the Taliban to allow them to continue to get Afghan allies out of the country after the Aug. 31 withdrawal deadline.

                  Why it matters: "We are all committed to ensuring that our citizens, nationals and residents, employees, Afghans who have worked with us and those who are at risk can continue to travel freely to destinations outside Afghanistan," the joint statement said.
                  • "We have received assurances from the Taliban that all foreign nationals and any Afghan citizen with travel authorization from our countries will be allowed to proceed in a safe and orderly manner to points of departure and travel outside the country," the statement continued.
                  • "We will continue issuing travel documentation to designated Afghans, and we have the clear expectation of and commitment from the Taliban that they can travel to our respective countries. We note the public statements of the Taliban confirming this understanding."
                  • Sher Mohammed Abas Stanekzai, the Taliban's chief negotiator, said on Friday that the group would not stop people from departing.

                  Of note: National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on Face the Nation that the U.S. has "considerable leverage" to "hold the Taliban to its commitments."
                  • "The Taliban have communicated to us...that they're allowing for safe passage. We’re not just going to take their word for it," he added.
                    ____________
                  “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                  • Factbox: Evacuations from Afghanistan by country | Reuters | Aug 29 2021

                    GERMANY

                    Germany ended evacuation flights on Thursday. The German military has evacuated 5,347 people, including more than 4,100 Afghans.

                    Germany previously said it had identified 10,000 people who needed to be evacuated, including Afghan local staff, journalists and human rights activists. About 300 German citizens remain in Afghanistan, a spokesman for the foreign office in Berlin said on Friday.


                    UNITED STATES

                    The U.S. military will continue evacuating people from Kabul airport until Aug. 31 if needed, but will prioritize the removal of U.S. troops and military equipment on the last couple of days, the Pentagon has said.

                    Washington has evacuated 5,400 U.S. citizens since Aug. 14, according to the U.S. government.

                    There were still about 350 U.S. citizens in Afghanistan trying to leave the country, a State Department spokesman said.


                    BRITAIN

                    Britain's last military flight left Kabul late on Saturday after evacuating more than 15,000 people in the two weeks since the Taliban took control of Afghanistan, the defence ministry said.


                    UNITED ARAB EMIRATES

                    The UAE said on Thursday it had helped evacuate 36,500 people to date, including 8,500 coming to the UAE via its national carriers or airports.


                    QATAR

                    Qatar said on Thursday it had helped evacuate more than 40,000 people to Doha and "evacuation efforts will continue in the coming days in consultation with international partners".
                    Top 5

                    The show only works if there are allied troops to make it happen

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                    • CIA out now

                      American Forces Destroy C.I.A. Base In Controlled Detonation | NYT | Aug 27 2021

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                      • This is what i was looking for

                        The Complicated Logistics Behind the Kabul Airport Evacuation, Explained | Popular Mechanics | Aug 17 2021

                        U.S. troops—along with the 600 members of Afghan security forces currently onsite—will have to clear the runway, secure the airport perimeter, cram thousands of Afghans and U.S. citizens into planes, and prepare for the worst-case-scenario: Taliban attacks, which could easily bring air traffic in and out of the country to a standstill.
                        Pentagon wants one flight take off from the airport per hour. Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said Tuesday that the U.S. could evacuate 5,000 to 9,000 people per day, according to Defense One.

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                        • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                          The Afghan trooper was screwed by the higher ups, here is a Marine saying the same thing. How do you guys respond to this ? agree or not

                          https://twitter.com/dhookstead/statu...25824099848192

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                          For a BN Command, it surprises me that he didn't even ask what the risks and committements were to holding Bagram.
                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post

                            I see he's been fired
                            Yeah, and deservedly so. He knew it, felt it was worth it and did it anyway. That is honor. No sneaky snake Vindman, but a person who put it all on the line to say his peice.

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                            • An Indian General Remembers Ahmed Shah Massoud



                              For his son now to continue the father's legacy

                              The video was made in Sept 2018, sounds as if it was made yesterday
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Aug 21,, 02:23.

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                              • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                                For a BN Command, it surprises me that he didn't even ask what the risks and committements were to holding Bagram.
                                He is the Commander of Schools Battalion. In charge of the School of Infantry at Lejeune. Was on his way out and knew it. Posted another video stating that he was resigning and giving up his retirement and career.

                                He has less than 18 yrs in, Keeping his self from getting Courts Martialed. Wouldn't have made it to retire. Bet he's looking for Foxnews/OAN job and a book deal

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