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    British troops in secret truce with Taliban

    British troops battling the Taliban are to withdraw from one of the most dangerous areas of Afghanistan after agreeing a secret deal with the local people, reports ‘Sunday Times’.

    According to the paper, over the past two months British soldiers have come under sustained attacks defending a remote mud-walled government outpost in the town of Musa Qala in southern Afghanistan. Eight have been killed there.

    It has now been agreed that the troops would quietly pull out of Musa Qala in return for the Taliban doing the same. The compound is one of four district government offices in the Helmand province that are being guarded by British troops.

    The paper said although soldiers on the ground may welcome the agreement, it is likely to raise new questions about troop deployment. Last month Sir Richard Dannatt, the new head of the British Army, warned that soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting at the limit of their capacity and could only “just” cope with the demands.

    When British troops were first sent to Afghanistan it was hoped they would help kick-start the country’s reconstruction. But under pressure from President Hamid Karzai they were forced to defend Afghan government district centres at Musa Qala, Sangin, Nowzad and Kajaki.

    The move opposed by Lt-Gen David Richards, the Nato commander in Afghanistan turned the four remote British bases into what Richards called “magnets” for the Taliban. All 16 of the British soldiers killed in action in southern Afghanistan have died at Musa Qala, Sangin or Nowzad.

    The soldiers risk sniper fire and full-scale assaults from experienced Taliban fighters who can then blend into the local population after each attack.

    The peace deal in Musa Qala was first mooted by representatives of the town’s 2,000-strong population. About 400 people living in the immediate area of the district centre compound, have been forced to evacuate their homes, most of which have been destroyed in the fighting.

    Brigadier Ed Butler, the commander of the British task force, flew into Musa Qala 18 days ago, guarded only by his military police close-protection team, to attend a shura or council of town elders, to negotiate a withdrawal.

    Butler was taken in a convoy to the shura in the desert southeast of Musa Qala where the carefully formulated proposals were made. The British commander said that he was prepared to back action of fighting if they could guarantee that the Taliban would also leave.

    The deal — and the avoidance of the word ceasefire — allows both sides to disengage without losing face, an important aspect in the Afghan psyche. Polls suggest that 70 per cent of the population are waiting to see whether Nato or the Taliban emerge as the dominant force before they decide which to back.

    Fighting in Afghanistan traditionally takes place in the summer and there are concerns that Taliban could simply use the cessation of fighting to regroup and attack again next year. But there are clear signs of the commitment of the people of Musa Qala to the deal, with one Talib who stood out against it reportedly lynched by angry locals.

    There is always a risk, one officer said. But if it works, it will provide a good template for the rest of Helmand. The people of Sangin are already saying they want a similar deal.

    The paper further said there is frustration among many British troops that they have been unable to help on reconstruction projects because they have been involved in intense fighting. An e-mail from one officer published this weekend said: “We are not having an effect on the average Afghan. At the moment we are no better than the Taliban in their eyes, as all they can see is us moving into an area, blowing things up and leaving, which is very sad.”

    The Ministry of Defence announced this weekend that 10 British soldiers had been seriously injured in fighting in the last few days of August, bringing the total number of troops seriously injured in the country this year to 23.

    A total of 29 British servicemen have lost their lives in southern Afghanistan in the past two months, including 14 who died when their Nimrod reconnaissance aircraft crashed on Sept 2.

    A new poll published last week revealed a lack of public confidence over the deployment of troops in Afghanistan. According to the BBC poll, 53 per cent of people opposed the use of British troops in the region.

    http://dawn.com/2006/10/03/top11.htm

  • #2
    So the British have learned the hard way as Pakistan did. Afghans cannot be ruled by force

    The criticism over the deal that Pakistan struck with pro taliban tribal leaders was uncalled for
    Nisaar main teri galiyon pe aaye watan, ke jahan
    Chali hai rasm keh koi na sar utha keh chaley

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    • #3
      Hardly "finally" - it's something that we've known about since long before Pakistan ever existed. Ever read Kipling?

      This agreement does seem rather like the locals have twisted our arms into accepting everything we ever wanted. Local forces loyal to Kabul providing security and keeping the Taleban out - sounds pretty much exactly like the NATO exit strategy for Afghanistan to me. And doing it in 6 months is pretty good going.
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      • #4
        ‘Nato deal vindicates Pakistan’s position’

        WASHINGTON, Oct 5: The peace deal between Nato and tribal elders in Afghanistan vindicates Pakistan’s position that there is a need for a negotiated settlement to this dispute, says Ambassador Mehmood Ali Durrani.

        Earlier this week, British NATO troops in Afghanistan announced reaching an agreement with Afghan tribal elders aimed at ending Taliban attacks in a southern district where six British soldiers have been killed since August.

        Under the agreement reached in the small town of Musa Qala in Helmand province British troops will not launch offensives. In return, the elders will press the Taliban to stop attacks.

        Mr Durrani, Pakistan’s envoy in the US, said the deal endorses a comprehensive strategy Pakistan launched last month when it signed a similar agreement with tribal elders in the North Waziristan tribal agency.

        Initially, the Afghan government and the US media criticised the Waziristan deal, claiming that it would free Taliban sympathisers in Pakistan’s tribal areas for carrying out attacks inside Afghanistan.

        “What we launched in North Waziristan was comprehensive strategy to deal with this problem,” said Ambassador Durrani. “We did not provide a license to pro-Taliban elements to move freely,” as some media reports claimed.

        Mr Durrani also rejected some US media reports that Pakistan was withdrawing troops from the tribal area. “We are against the process of Talibanisation. So we cannot give them a free hand,” he said.

        Addressing an iftar he hosted for Washington-based Pakistani journalists, Ambassador Durrani said that United States has also helped Pakistan in reaching the peace deal with tribal elders.

        He said that during his recent visit to Washington, President Musharraf held two meetings with President Bush and availed these opportunities to elucidate Pakistan’s position on the North Waziristan deal.

        http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/06/nat3.htm

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        • #5
          All coming from Dawn, the voice of Pakistan, right???... I'll agree to it when some international official source confirms it.....
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          • #6
            This news is debunked in the Telegraph UK in a thread on this forum.

            The Taliban activities in Afghanistan has increased.


            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

            HAKUNA MATATA

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            • #7
              heres more from the British:

              British troops to face Taliban despite Afghan winter


              Senior officials have warned British troops they face the prospect of fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan throughout the winter.

              Traditionally military campaigning ceases during the fierce Afghan winters allowing forces to re-group before resuming fighting in the spring.

              However the southern province of Helmand, where the bulk of the British forces are based, escapes the worst of the winter weather and officials said it was possible the Taliban could continue their attacks.

              "I share the reservations about saying there will be a winter downturn," one senior Foreign Office official said.

              "Climatically in Helmand there is not snow, there are no high mountain passes. It must therefore be conceivable to see continuing operations throughout the winter. I think we have to keep an open mind."

              Officials also warned that a truce brokered by local tribal leaders in the Musa Qala district - where some of the heaviest fighting has taken place - remained fragile.

              It followed reports that the Taliban have accused the British of ignoring the terms of the agreement by keeping troops in one of the villages where they have a forward base.

              "It is a very fragile and precarious process," the senior official said. "The understanding that the tribal elders have made with the Taliban could breakdown at any time."

              The official said that the Taliban may fear that their position would be undermined if such agreements were to be taken up in other areas, allowing a measure of stability to return.

              "Were this process to consolidate and spread to other districts, I am sure the Taliban would see it as a very worrying development," the official said.

              He said there were some encouraging signs that local people in Helmand were now turning to provincial governor Mohammad Daoud - loyal to the government's President Hamid Karzai - amid growing war-weariness.

              "They are not turning against the UK forces," he said. "I think people are fed up with being caught up in the fighting and their towns being turned into battlegrounds."

              Earlier Tony Blair defended the British mission after a report yesterday from the UN refugee agency said that the fighting in southern Afghanistan had driven some 90,000 people from their homes.

              "Sure there are people in Afghanistan who are suffering as a result of the fighting that's taking place. But they suffered a lot more under the Taliban," the Prime Minister said.

              "We do not want al Qaida and Taliban back in power in Afghanistan, using it as a training ground for terrorism around the world."

              Copyright - Press Association 2006
              http://www.24dash.com/content/news/v...7&newsID=11250
              Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
              -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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              • #8
                NATO vows to kick Taliban out of truce village
                Sat Feb 3, 2007 11:48 AM GMT17


                By Terry Friel

                KABUL (Reuters) - The NATO commander in Afghanistan vowed on Saturday to kick the Taliban out of a southern town and reinstate tribal elders.

                Taliban fighters overran Musa Qala in the drug heartland of Helmand province on Thursday night, seizing the district administration office and police headquarters.

                When NATO troops ran into bloodier than expected fighting in southern Afghanistan late last year, British commanders had struck a deal with tribal elders in the town to withdraw if the Taliban were also kept out.

                General David Richards said locals had forcibly disarmed the Taliban, who have now returned seeking revenge.

                "What is most important to me, and I've spoken to President (Hamid) Karzai about this, is that we look after those very brave people who had the courage to stand up to some pretty vicious hoods that now are intimidating them," Richards said.

                "We will put the tribal elders back in control of Musa Qala and we will kick the Taliban out and defeat them," Richards said at the headquarters of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Kabul.
                Richards has led operations here for nine months, possibly the toughest period since the Taliban were ousted in 2001, and hands the ISAF force over to U.S. general Dan McNeill on Sunday.

                More than 4,000 people, a quarter of them civilians, died in fighting last year and U.S. commanders and political leaders say the Islamists will launch a spring offensive when the snows melt within the next few months.

                The Musa Qala peace deal was strongly criticised by some U.S. commanders and other allies.

                Richard commands about 33,000 ISAF troops, including thousands of U.S. soldiers. A U.S.-led coalition has more than 10,000 troops in the country under a separate command.

                "By their actions, the Taliban have ended over four months of peace in Musa Qala which, until now, had seen a return to normality with reconstruction and development getting underway," ISAF said in a statement.

                "It is very clear that the Taliban are acting against the wishes of the people of Musa Qala."

                ISAF denied Taliban charges it had breached the Musa Qala peace deal with nearby air strikes. It said the raids were outside the area covered by the agreement.
                Source
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                • #9
                  Unfortunate that the truce broke down like that, but with any luck this will make us into the "good guys" in the minds of the locals.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pdf27 View Post
                    Unfortunate that the truce broke down like that, but with any luck this will make us into the "good guys" in the minds of the locals.
                    which ones? the pro-Taliban locals or the anti-Taliban locals?
                    Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
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                    • #11
                      Both - the locals are IIRC Pashtuns, and they tend not to take kindly to having their elders roughed about. Not even by other Pashtuns. That part of the world is confusing as hell, but I can't concieve of any way in which this will help the Taleban in the long run.
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                      • #12
                        Pakistanis trying to find solace after their meek surrender by hoping the British would surrender too!

                        Btw, they aren't fighting the Afghans. So while the Pakistani populace of WAB tries to justify this lie, let me point out that they are fighting the Taliban and they are partnering with majority Afghans (including Pushtuns) in doing so.
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