Jaish terrorists attack CRPF convoy in Kashmir, 40 killed

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The engine part shown is supposed to be from F110-GE-129 but ***** are claiming online that they use F100-PW-229 in their planes. However, one online Indian news paper mentions that Paks use F110-GE-129 for the Block 50, and the F100-PW-229 for the Block 52.

https://theprint.in/defence/pakistan...damage/199482/

I found this earlier but Abhi debunked it live on TV : O

Pak F16's use Pratt & Whitney engines not GE

No dice.

All we got is some video with a couple of ejects.

No Indian two seaters in the area at the time so its presumed to be the F16

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Sure, that’s why I am speculating if the Jordanian planes might have GE engines on them. Anyway it debunks Pak story that no F-16 was used. Also the video of twin ejections confirms that it can only be a F-16 or Sukhoi or Mig-29. Only time will tell what’s the truth...

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Also can Paks even get away by writing off an aircraft from their inventory?

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Poem written by Varun Iyer

My Brother With a Bloodied Nose

My brother with a bloodied nose,
And officer and gentleman.
Landed across the Line of Control today.
Ejecting after doing the best he can.

They caught him on their land and then,
Thrashed him like perhaps any of us would.
Till the army stepped in and dispersed them.
And rescued him while they could.

They asked him who he was and he said,
With poise and utmost grace.
A flying pilot of the Indian Air Force.
Battered, bruised, but with a proud face.

If only the general public could,
Muster a milligram of the same poise.
And realize that their war drum beating.
Is a ridiculous dangerous noise.

My brother with a bloodied nose,
He stood there firm and tall.
And smiled in the face of his captors.
And taught us the biggest lesson of them all.

That bravery is not ordered online,
Does not ship overnight on Amazon Prime.
Tis not the moment of jingoism and memes.
For armchair aggro tis not the time.

My brother with a bloodied nose,
Thank you for your dedication and verve.
Your class and bravery I fear though,
Is a little more than some of us deserve.

For those whose fury takes wing today,
Who have no idea what it's like.
To parachute into enemy territory,
Taking a hit in a combat strike.

My brother with a bloodied nose,
You've taught a lesson to us all.
You can bail out of an aircraft at high speed,
And yet to lows never fall.

And keep your cheer and character in times,
Of uncertainty in the face of death.
And learn again to behave as human beings,
If we only would our conscience let.

My brother with a bloodied nose.
Keep you chin up, enjoy the brew.
A salute to your sacrifice today and forever.
Hold on a while, we're coming to get you.

My brother With a bloodied nose.
The bison who took on the sun.
Here's to you and all those that stand guard for us.
Nabah Sparsam Diptam.

Salute ����

Edit:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/68217614.cms

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Someone says, Indian Navy is on the move.....towards Karachi.....

Turns out it was a Pak tweet. We were doing no such thing.

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Also can Paks even get away by writing off an aircraft from their inventory?

These F-16s are also in the inventory of USA and i think there are inspections done regarding the End User aspects.
Unless they come out with a statement that the aircraft was lost in operational accident, along with the pilot.

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The Indian Military is fully aware of what has happened.
They have very high quality SAR satellites which give day/night all weather high resolution imagery for analysis.
They have very high quality electronic radar systems on ground and in air which are able to give a very good picture and record data with good accuracy for analysis.

At the same time India has a traditional professional military, not a ISI-PA type insurgent military which takes over their own government every decade or so.

I doubt the Indian military will give a damn if people are shouting for high quality data to fuel information wars, if the Government pressurizes the military, the military can use data release laws that give protection to release of sensitive information to deny the government, and the government will not issue a legally controversial order to the military for releasing this information.

RAW should be more active in carrying out information warfare in sync with the military forces carrying out conventional action. Its not a job for the military forces, PA-ISI behave like a single organism, but that level of cooperation is very dangerous in the long term for a nation.

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Turns out it was a Pak tweet. We were doing no such thing.

Not a Pak tweet. I read it from some place else. Not a bad idea to have 2-3 submarines keeping eye on the Karachi harbour.

IK said he means peace. What kind of peace does he really mean when Pak guns are firing at our positions on the LoC? Think, they believe India will conduct another SpeOps, across the border. Wait for it. :D

Heavy shelling by Pakistan in areas along LoC in Rajouri, Poonch

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Accusing Pakistan of lies is like calling water wet

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Not a Pak tweet. I read it from some place else. Not a bad idea to have 2-3 submarines keeping eye on the Karachi harbour.

Heard it mentioned on a news show. They was also a panic we were going to hit them with missiles.

IK said he means peace. What kind of peace does he really mean when Pak guns are firing at our positions on the LoC? Think, they believe India will conduct another SpeOps, across the border. Wait for it. :D

Heavy shelling by Pakistan in areas along LoC in Rajouri, Poonch

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If we look at our initial objective of getting back at JeM, IK has not delivered anything on that score.

They sent 24 jets to punish the AF. Then they were challenged with 8 and they turn back. Why ? to turn back means their initial objective was surrendered.

And what was that objective ? according to a former air marshall, possibly to attack airbases at Avantipura & Srinagar. Take out planes at the airbase.

But in what world do 24 jets (actually 16 as the rest were escorts only to the Indian border) get intimidated by half as many.

We were tracking them and knew well in advance what was coming and were ready.

So they didn't want to risk their hardware so quickly jettisoned their load and headed back.

Still at the tri services talk it was mentioned the bombs were dropped on army compounds.

So that constitutes an escalation on the Paks side of which we are yet to respond.

IK has scored a PR coup of sorts by immediately releasing Abhinandan, due to pressure from other parties i suspect. Helps defuse tensions momentarily.

Abhinandan was worth more released, to them, than in captivity.

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This whole PR info wars do not really amount to anything in real world terms except for a few kids who spend time on instagram and can not get a driving license.

When the dust settles, one thing is clear to India,
Pakistan has refused to stop using its irregular forces (JeM and LeT) against India. (forget arresting them).
Post Uri and Now Pulwama, India has told Pakistan that their will be costs involved.
By doing Pulwama after Uri Pakistan has shown that it is ready to bear the costs.

With the USA withdrawing from Afghanistan Pakistan will start working on Afghanistan, with the goal of having a ISI trained Taliban take over administration.
India will be drawn into this war, and will be supporting the Afghan Government along with Iran (just as the Northern Alliance days).
Saudi and the rest will back Pakistan and its irregular forces (Taliban) to deter Iran.
At the same time India would be fighting a local war with Pakistani irregular forces around the LoC.

So basically the 90s are back in the region, except perhaps this time around the Afghans are a bit stronger, and Iran-India will be supporting them openly as they are the legal government.

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This whole PR info wars do not really amount to anything in real world terms except for a few kids who spend time on instagram and can not get a driving license.

This is the first war we had in the era of social media.

Cannot discount the effect of social media on the govt. In fact the effect is further amplified in free societies.

Regimes have been toppled due to social media.

Iran opts to use Afghans to fight in Syria because there is domestic opposition to returning dead soldiers

Perception has a way of snowballing and magnifying emotions. It can and often constrains manouver space for govts if not managed effectively.

Did you watch the LSTV show i linked earlier ?

It matters not one bit to the military but they don't call the shots in India.

A direct fall out for perceptions is watch global media whenever India gets attacked and they all say India must exercise restraint.

That India must resolve this dispute. That line there puts the Paks at parity with us.

Paks holding up photos at the UN of injured people in Gaza and using that to accuse us of things happening in Kashmir. Was that a slip up or information warfare ?

We know the problem all too well, the world however does not. Not because it does not care but because we've not done as good a job as the Paks at putting out our end of the story.

How long have we taken to go to the OIC. Fifty years because the paks managed to sideline us. I don't understand domestic opposition either, we have more muslims than several arab countries combined. I know it counts because if the Paks have to boycott the opening conference then we must be doing something right.

No, it does not matter that the OIC is the only entity to condemn India's recent action. It's a direct consequence of our non participation there. That will change from today onwards. Hopefully we get to become observer if not full member.

The war in Vietnam was lost in America's living rooms not on the battlefields of Vietnam -- Marshal McLuhan

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This whole PR info wars do not really amount to anything in real world terms except for a few kids who spend time on instagram and can not get a driving license.

When the dust settles, one thing is clear to India,
Pakistan has refused to stop using its irregular forces (JeM and LeT) against India. (forget arresting them).
Post Uri and Now Pulwama, India has told Pakistan that their will be costs involved.
By doing Pulwama after Uri Pakistan has shown that it is ready to bear the costs.

With the USA withdrawing from Afghanistan Pakistan will start working on Afghanistan, with the goal of having a ISI trained Taliban take over administration.
India will be drawn into this war, and will be supporting the Afghan Government along with Iran (just as the Northern Alliance days).
Saudi and the rest will back Pakistan and its irregular forces (Taliban) to deter Iran.
At the same time India would be fighting a local war with Pakistani irregular forces around the LoC.

So basically the 90s are back in the region, except perhaps this time around the Afghans are a bit stronger, and Iran-India will be supporting them openly as they are the legal government.

Agree on most points.

India needs to up the diplomatic channel to have Russian support, as well as that of the Americans. If we play our cards right, we get some worthwhile cheques too. With cheques coming in, the ANA can be trained, armed and taught the ways of a professional Army. People, don't get me wrong, the US is training & arming the ANA well. I'm just saying we can do a bit better, having the confidence of the local Afghans who see us in a better light, having no shit in how they govern themselves and building their infrastructure, hospitals, parliament etc.

Then, squeeze the enemy from all fronts.

US Influence Over India-Pakistan Crisis in Question

Factual inaccuracies in the report, but the message gets through, thank you, Trump.

Five security personnel martyred in encounter with terrorists in Kupwara; civilian dies in clashes

JeM chief Masood Azhar is in Pakistan, admits Pakistan foreign minister

Thank you, this secret, the world didn't know before.
Right!