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  • ISI instructed J&K terrorists to kill SPOs, intercepted chats reveal
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    • One of the claims made as a result of the surgical strike Sept end 2016 is infiltration came down. That's not what these figures show. Looks to be about the same the year after. They're down for this year though. Ceasefire violations have more than quadruped since 2016, twice as more this year compared to the previous year. Maybe there is a connection.

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      Same with terror incidents in J & K. See the spike in 2017

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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        One of the claims made as a result of the surgical strike Sept end 2016 is infiltration came down. That's not what these figures show. Looks to be about the same the year after. They're down for this year though. Ceasefire violations have more than quadruped since 2016, twice as more this year compared to the previous year. Maybe there is a connection.

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        Same with terror incidents in J & K. See the spike in 2017

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        I've seen the figures.

        I was not very optimistic when the idea was floated, that surgical strike across the border would reduce cross-border terrorism from Pakistan. It won't. Killing PA regulars as well as Pak Jihadis won't close this tap of terrorism from Pakistan (they are 200 million). Nor will cutting aid to that wretched country (as cutting US aid show). ISI have permanent business involving drugs, counterfeit currency, kidnappings for ransom etc. Enough money to buy guns and ammunition, train and arm jihadis and push them into Kashmir for Jihad. How does America/FATF cut those source of funding? Even if Pak is blacklisted, does anybody think the PA would care? PA sits on top of the food-chain in Pak.

        Chaos inside Pak-Afghan-India keeps the PA in power. And, a stable PA means more Jihad, more international headache and more killings. So what is to be done?

        I don't know if this logic will ever find common ground with the US administration, but a Pakistan where the PA rules the roost is not in the best interests of anyone. And the PA will continue to be the cancer that it is, unless Pak is broken down into 4 parts, their Army stripped down and defanged.

        What would initiate the process? A terrorist attack in New York or Mumbai? I'm sorry to say, but it has to be NY. The Indian govt clearly doesn't F care about civilian or military casualties. If the PA problem is solved, 99% of world terrorism would have been solved.
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        • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          250 terrorists trying to sneak into India from PoK: Army

          Firebomb those Pak jihadis. Make that terrorist country understand that channeling unemployed Paks as jihadis will mean certain death.
          Across the LoC in PoK, there is an increased presence of Pakistan Army. Additional resources appear to have been pumped in to fill in the gaps, exploited by the Indian Army special forces to infiltrate and destroy the terrorist launch pads.
          They are trying to make it harder the next time we do a strike.
          Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Sep 18,, 23:34.

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          • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
            I've seen the figures.

            I was not very optimistic when the idea was floated, that surgical strike across the border would reduce cross-border terrorism from Pakistan. It won't. Killing PA regulars as well as Pak Jihadis won't close this tap of terrorism from Pakistan (they are 200 million). Nor will cutting aid to that wretched country (as cutting US aid show). ISI have permanent business involving drugs, counterfeit currency, kidnappings for ransom etc. Enough money to buy guns and ammunition, train and arm jihadis and push them into Kashmir for Jihad. How does America/FATF cut those source of funding? Even if Pak is blacklisted, does anybody think the PA would care? PA sits on top of the food-chain in Pak.

            Chaos inside Pak-Afghan-India keeps the PA in power. And, a stable PA means more Jihad, more international headache and more killings. So what is to be done?

            I don't know if this logic will ever find common ground with the US administration, but a Pakistan where the PA rules the roost is not in the best interests of anyone. And the PA will continue to be the cancer that it is, unless Pak is broken down into 4 parts, their Army stripped down and defanged.

            What would initiate the process? A terrorist attack in New York or Mumbai? I'm sorry to say, but it has to be NY. The Indian govt clearly doesn't F care about civilian or military casualties. If the PA problem is solved, 99% of world terrorism would have been solved.
            Right, there is this perception that it was to stop them sending people across and after such an operation one expects results. But were those the objectives ? No

            Listen to 9:28 of the commanders interview. What was the aim of the strike and what have we achieved.

            It was two fold to let the PA know that things cannot continue as usual. And to the terrorists that the PA cannot protect them.

            Killing OBL didn't wipe out Al-Q. Doesn't mean the Americans shouldn't have done it.

            That there is a price to way at some point.

            Whether this complicates the PA's planning is up for debate.

            Next question, Were the terrorists groups affected in the way we expected ?

            Radio intercepts of the PA indicated turmoil that such a strike occurred. He accepts that terror activities haven't reduced but then this wasn't the aim. One strike doesn't wipe out terror in Kashmir.

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            • Chinese agencies trying to ‘sabotage’ Naga peace process

              R Dutta Choudhury
              GUWAHATI, Sept 29 - The talks with Naga rebel groups are in the final stage, but in recent times, Indian security agencies have noticed that Chinese agencies are keeping a close watch on the dialogue and there is apprehension that efforts could be made by the neighbouring country to sabotage the peace process.
              Highly placed sources in the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) told The Assam Tribune that of late the Chinese agencies have been trying to influence “some groups” of the Northeast, including the rebel outfits, to derail the peace process in Nagaland. For years, the Chinese agencies have been directly or indirectly helping out the rebel groups of the Northeast as the neighbouring country does not want permanent peace in the region, sources added.

              “China knows very well that if permanent peace is restored in Nagaland with an amicable solution of the Naga political problem, militancy in the region would receive a severe setback. Under the circumstances, we have proof of Chinese agencies keeping a close watch on the process of talks and there are reasons to believe that efforts would be made to sabotage the process,” sources pointed out.

              On the progress of the peace talks, sources said that the government is talking to both the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) and Naga National Political Groups, an umbrella body of six rebel groups separately and finally, only one accord would be signed. So far, the NSCN (Khaplang) has not expressed its desire to join the peace process and the government would not wait for a long time for the outfit to come forward for talks.

              Sources revealed that most of the major issues have been sorted out during the talks with the rebel outfits, but the final date for signing of the accord has not been finalized. When pointed out that some Naga outfits are still issuing statements demanding integration of the Naga-inhabited areas and even sovereignty, sources said, “the government has made it clear that integration of the Naga areas would not be possible. The government had ruled out separation from the country long back. However, in a democratic country, any organization is free to raise any political demand.”

              MHA sources also said that all the stakeholders would have to be taken on board before signing of an accord with the Naga outfits. Though Assam would not be affected in any way, there is a proposal for creation of autonomous councils in Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh, and for that the clearance from the respective state governments and the people at large would be required.
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              • ‘Kashmir issue can be resolved through people-to-people contacts’

                GUWAHATI, Sept 29 - Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK)-based journalist-editor Haris Qadeer favours more people-to-people contacts and exchange of ideas in all parts of Kashmir for greater regional understanding and meeting of minds. He also spoke about the challenges facing journalists in conflict zones, calling upon aspiring scribes to cultivate proper commitment and passion for the medium if they are to survive in the profession.
                The young editor, while interacting with Guwahati-based newsmen during the ‘Meet the Press’ programme organised by Guwahati Press Club through online interaction from Muzaffarabad, emphasised frequent contacts and movement of journalists to give a correct picture from various conflict zones.

                Qadeer, who used to edit Urdu newspaper Daily Mujadala, once the largest circulated daily in PoK, expressed concern at the restricted media freedom in the area and said that people-to-people contacts and exchange of ideas between different stakeholders could bring about a peaceful resolution in Kashmir.

                He said that most of the issues concerning the common people in PoK are not highlighted in media as the vernacular media is not very strong and majority of newspapers that are circulated in PoK are Kashmir editions of Pakistan-based newspapers. As for TV channels, these are cable operated and not DTH, which explains the nearly zero visibility of Indian channels in that area.

                Qadeer further said that the mainstream media in Pakistan are reluctant to highlight the issues in PoK as the region is geographically isolated and suffers from overall lack of development. In particular, road infrastructure is in rudimentary condition, there is no train connectivity whatsoever, and no operational airport. “So the people here have to first move to Lahore or Islamabad by road before they can proceed to other places, mainly for health-related issues,” he said.

                [B]Admitting the presence of Islamist fundamentalist elements in PoK, he said that the growth of radical elements and terrorism has affected local aspirations for a greater Kashmir, which would also incorporate PoK, Baltistan-Gilgit and Aksai Chin. “In contrast to commonly-held belief in India, the people of PoK are neither in support of Islamabad nor in support of New Delhi but prefer to identify themselves as Kashmiris first,” he said.

                Speaking about the crisis facing journalists in conflict zones like PoK, Qadeer revealed that his newspaper had conducted a survey last year asking people of PoK about the future of Kashmir. However, when 73 per cent respondents favoured freedom from Pakistani occupation and establishment of an independent state of Kashmir, the authority in Islamabad closed down his publication. It remains closed till date.
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                • Based on special forces revenge hit across the border, what we also know as 'Surgical Strike'.
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                  • History TV already has a documentary made on the incident.
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                    • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                      Quite a hard hitting article

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                      • Gun salute at funerals of terrorists have become a common phenomenon. What I don't understand is the lack of urgency to tackle it. Put snipers at vantage points and take those Pakistani terrorists out. Make it a red funeral for 10/15/20 Pak terrorists. What's so hard about it?
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                        • The love affair with Imran Khan is over, its back to business in Kashmir

                          Pakistan court summons Nawaz Sharif in treason case over Mumbai attack remarks

                          Burhan’s anniversary to be observed on Sunday

                          Jihadi and Maoist Rivers through Nepal
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                          • 'Donald Trump admin unlikely to change policy on suspension of aid to Pakistan'

                            Trump's new counter-terrorism strategy identifies LeT as potential threat to US

                            HAHAHAHAHAHA! There goes the bearded Pakistani terrorist mullah.
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                            • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Gun salute at funerals of terrorists have become a common phenomenon.
                              Given we take out so many each year ?

                              What I don't understand is the lack of urgency to tackle it. Put snipers at vantage points and take those Pakistani terrorists out. Make it a red funeral for 10/15/20 Pak terrorists. What's so hard about it?
                              They'll do the same at our funerals. If you prevent it, it gets bigger. This way it defuses on its own and gets boring after a while. I think this sort of thing is reserved only for a few. The ones who are stamp worthy : )

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              History TV already has a documentary made on the incident.
                              Saw these the other day, there is also Pathankot & the Burma raid in there too.

                              Should help with recruitment, a lot of people will see these.

                              Its quite clear why there is a raid, its tit for tat for the sake of army morale.

                              Kill 20 soldiers in a go, you get a raid. Happened at Uri and same number lost in Manipur.

                              Kill over a 100 civilians with bombs or other and the result is more ambigious (!) at least this has been the case in the past.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Oct 18,, 23:09.

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                              • India fumbles against a rogue neighbour

                                Pakistan has turned into the Mecca of international terrorism even as its new prime minister, Imran “Taliban” Khan, has promised to make his country a Medina-like welfare state. Pakistan, however, is battling a deepening financial crisis, largely exacerbated by its “all-weather” ally, China. Beijing has imposed unfair deals on, and stepped up capital-goods exports to, Pakistan under its so-called Belt and Road Initiative.

                                The military-manipulated election that brought Khan to power, instead of providing much-needed stability to Pakistan, is likely to inject more turmoil. A supporter of the military-backed jihadists and a religious zealot himself, Khan in February married his burqa-clad “spiritual guide”, who now also serves as his political guide.

                                The Pakistani military has waged an undeclared war against India since the 1980s. But now that an internationally isolated Pakistan, with its economy in dire straits, is seeking an international bailout package, the military generals there, for tactical reasons, want “peace” talks with India while remaining engaged in aggression. Through such talks, they also wish to legitimize the government they helped to install.

                                Yet this is exactly what Prime Minister Narendra Modi risked doing by initially agreeing to a bilateral foreign ministers’ meeting. The meeting, on the sidelines of the UN general assembly, would have represented the first high-level contact between India and Pakistan since early 2016, when talks were suspended after the Pakistan-scripted terrorist attack on the Pathankot air force base. Despite frequent terrorist outrages, such a meeting would have signalled a thaw in Indo-Pakistan relations. Fortunately, the Modi government had the good sense to reverse its decision.

                                It should not be forgotten that another BJP prime minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, legitimized General Pervez Musharraf’s military rule by inviting him out of the blue to a summit in Agra. That summit went badly, but Musharraf came out the clear winner.

                                The Modi government initially agreed to the foreign ministers’ meeting just after the Pakistani army killed an Indian soldier by sniper fire and then slit his throat and mutilated his body. In fact, such was the bad optics that India was playing a cricket match with Pakistan in Dubai on the day the Pakistani savagery was first reported. Worse still, the timing of the Indian announcement to hold the meeting sent out an unfortunate message — that India, instead of being outraged over the mutilation, was rewarding Pakistan with bilateral discussions. That message was reinforced in the immediate aftermath by the abduction and killing of three cops in Jammu and Kashmir by Pakistan-backed terrorists.

                                To its credit, the Modi government took barely 24 hours to correct its mistake and scrap the foreign ministers’ meeting. Strong reaction on social media played a role in the quick reversal. But it is apparent that the original decision in favour of the meeting was taken without careful thought. There was no consideration of the fact that such talks would not only be futile but also amount to India playing into Pakistan’s hands.

                                Indeed, no sooner had India reversed its decision than Imran Khan sought to mock Modi by referring to “small men holding big offices” — a statement that effectively closes the door to any senior-level bilateral talks in the coming months. That reference might more aptly apply to Khan himself. After all, Khan (the Pakistani military’s newest puppet) has long been ridiculed as “Im the Dim” for his lack of intelligence.

                                Still, the fact is that incompetent officials in New Delhi have seriously embarrassed India through their flip-flop and provided new grist to the Pakistani propaganda mill. For example, the ministry of external affairs cited Pakistan’s glorification of terrorists through new postage stamps as one of the provocations for the Indian U-turn, although these stamps were released before Khan took office.

                                It is an open secret that Washington has sought to persuade New Delhi to engage with Islamabad. America has stepped up its effort to end its longest-ever war by clinching a peace deal with the Afghan Taliban, for which it needs the Pakistani military’s help. India, in its first bilateral engagement with the Imran Khan government, convened a meeting of the Permanent Indus Commission in Lahore at the end of last month, although the meeting was not due until March 2019. The Commission’s meeting, however, attracted little attention in India.

                                The Modi government’s meandering Pakistan policy is also apparent from another volte-face: It hastily permitted and then, after Khan’s mocking statement, postponed a tour of inspection of new Indian projects on River Chenab by Pakistan’s Indus commissioner and two other officials. In September 2016, Modi had vowed that, “Blood and water cannot flow together”. But two years later, instead of action, visible backsliding is evident. The Indus Waters Treaty remains the world’s most generous water-sharing pact. India, however, remains reluctant to leverage this treaty to tame a scofflaw neighbour.

                                Successive Indian governments have failed to develop a clear strategy to deal with Pakistan. The Modi government has finally realized what was well known — that “Pakistan will not mend its ways”. It’s better late than never. It has also acknowledged that talks with Pakistan would be “meaningless”, given “the evil agenda of Pakistan” and the “true face” of the Imran Khan government. Can we now hope that India would develop consistency, clarity and courage in its Pakistan policy and fashion a coherent strategy to contain a rogue neighbour?
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