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      Something good, other than Pakistani lies, deceit and terrorism.
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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        Your intent was to portray an overwhelming force oppressing people there. Why else use a term like man for man ?
        Your dishonesty kicking in again.. You made some puffed up macho statement of how the Kashmiris can never imagine taking on the Indian state or something to that affect and I merely responded that that is obvious considering the size of India's forces on which you spun a narrative that I am stating the number of forces deployed in the valley. The dishonest manipulation must become second nature when you steep yourself so deep into partisan politics.

        You're clueless about the numbers and that is what i've pointed out.
        Whatever rocks your make believe boat..


        All you did was name call. Hindu ? extremist ? lol Labels. That don't stick
        Should've told that to Oracle before me.. as for the party you support, yes they are Hindu extremists, the entire world knows that..

        One who thinks country should be or belong to whites only. Whites have first rights. Exclusionary. Non whites are second class or lower.


        When i hear terms like hindu nationalist in the western media the intent is to portray a group with similar exclusionary views. I pointed this out a page or so back.
        Lool.. so we're talking about comparing hindu nutjobs with the KKK now.. but white supremacist ideology is not based on religious identity.. the biggest victims of Hindu extremists are their own ethnic group who happen to follow a different religion.. this is why I compare these nutbags with the Islamists instead, that's a much more rational comparison.


        The seculars have won and are in charge. They like markets. They're not going to screw with them.

        I saw what precious little got delivered for ideologues in the last five years and if the next five are anything like the last they are going to be living on scraps. They're a captive audience. Who else can they vote for.

        What the mandate was for, who voted. I had all these arguments during the first term. Know what if they voted for a second term it meant the delivery was good. If the mandate was as large it was because we had a TINA situation. At the national level. Local is different. The fundamentalists like to show that it was all for their ideals. But not all people are fundamentalists. This they don't get. Of course Ram Rajya is only a few years away for them.

        I hang out in places where you get quite a few of these types. To study them and they are no different than a sharia aspiring lot with equally lousy chances of getting what they want.

        Only Hindus care about India. Non hindus have their heads in Mecca or the Vatican or not with India. They see Nehru and congress as colonial. There is even a hint of xenophobia for anything western or foreign. Any one espousing western ideas is a sepoy. It's a push back against established elites. English speaking ones as well.

        Lots of this with Rajeev Malhotra. Joke is this guy immigrated to the west, lives there and is preaching to Indians how to be more Indian. When you point out that Buddhism, Sikhism & Jainism started because they didn't want to be hindu to start with. They are ok with it because the roots are Indian.

        Idea of India for these types only begins post 2014. They want a roll back of everything Nehru did. Its as if we were living under some occupation up to this point and now we are finally liberated. Commies would refer to post 2014 as a period of emergency. So similar depictions if their favoured dispensation is not in charge.
        That "free market" sales pitch was a total scam which even I fell for in the early days of BJP and rejoiced when they came to power.. but that was all BS and Modi is just as populist as the previous guy, dishing out massive populist schemes to buy the rural vote. A champion of decentralization before he came to power, hes put his stooges everywhere, including at RBI which is the most fked up thing to do, literally sapping any independent institution from any independency.. His rhetoric is totally socialist rather than free market or capitalist.. but I don't have a problem with that, in a poor country like India that is also needed..

        It's the Yogi, the monkey-in-the-lap priest, the cow vigilantes, the Ram mandir war cry, the Ram rajya, and thousands of such explicitly Hindutva things shoved down the throat of the definition of India is what makes my stomach turn and literally puke.. this shit does not a modern, progressive nation make.. it's a bunch of fantasy living dickwads who have taken over the nation with dreams of turning back the clock to the ancient ages.. they are rewriting the education curriculum in certain states and this party's MPs openly declare that ancient India had the internet and airplanes and what else the fck not.. the most retarded party to rule this country, in line with the fantasy living Islamist dickwads of the Middle East..


        What's wrong with positive spin. Helps understand what is going on. LSTV & RSTV do an excellent job at that. I'd call it informative. And that makes it valuable. Every post i've made is in that category.
        No, it doesn't.. Scrutanizing every move a government (anywhere in the world) makes is what helps in spurring critical thinking.. putting a positive spin on everything just makes it a mouthpiece of the government's propaganda..

        Debate is up to people to bring up. After they read whatever is posted. And pointed out objections. Where are they ? If people aren't challenging then that is their problem.

        What have you got to share ?
        Yea, who has time to sit here and spend hours countering partisan propaganda every single day.. Maybe once I retire from my day job, I'll do that.. a couple decades from now..



        Severe violation ? the way that place was being run for the last thirty years was a severe violation.
        You live in a corrupt, kleptocratic third world country.. as if your own governments are run any better.. piss poor excuse to snatch someone's rights..

        Doctors aren't allowed to treat near & dear because they cannot be expected to be objective. We couldn't avoid that with Nehru & 370. So J&K ended up with a special status. That is what the jan sangh was opposing. The status not because it was a majority muslim state. Hari singh wanted independence but in the end settled for less. The agreement was political. The opposition to it the same. Why does this state get to be different.

        Nehru had no qualms over running the Nizam of Hyderabad. Where was the consideration for special status there ? its referred to as a police action but the army was sent in and tens of thousand of razakars died defending the nizam. Where was the outcry ?
        Because unlike Hyderabad (or your earlier example of Goa), the people of Kashmir did not agitate to join India, ever.. We had an agreement with Hari Singh with conditions attached.. according to you, conditions in India are only valid for 70 years or so, if I understood you correctly from a previous post.. which is a pretty sad showing for the integrity of your country's institutions.. hope the BJP doesnt make that case when applying for NGS or a permanent seat at the UN..

        And look how erstwhile AP went after that. A normal state. With its issues but nothing over the ordinary. Imagine what would have happened if AP got special status too. The south would not be where it is today that i can assure you.
        Special status was not out of choice, it was the conditions laid out in that state's accession to India.. purposely ignoring that fact..

        The rights they had were arbitrary. Did not benefit those that were not Sunni, male or from the valley. To the point where the entire discussion revolved around what they wanted or not.

        Read Rahul Pandita's articles and the question asked is what benefits did 370 give to J&K ? misery, death, violence, terrorism, lack of development, super sized corruption that too with the blessings of the centre. J&K has to be without a doubt the most fcuked up state in the entire country. That is what people were entirely fed up off. That is why there was support for the abrogation of 370. Because for so long nobody could answer the simple question why can't things get better there. They will now.
        Despite facing a massive insurgency, political violence, war and repression.. J&K was still doing much better off socially than Odisha, Bihar, Jharkhand and UP.. but again, I know the narratives are different and the Kashmiris are the ones in the crosshairs..

        J&K's problems are 90% the fault of India. And that is because of special status. Law & order comes under the centre now. There will be no pols interfering in police actions. You think people who could kill with impunity will get away now.
        Kashmir has been on a hard lockdown for almost a month now.. they're fairing great I see.. moreover, central government has been directly running Kashmir through their puppet governor for much longer than that and yet, I still see a blackout.. piss poor excuses again.. nothing will change, just placate some superficial egos to soothen a centuries old inferiority complex these hindutva Sanghis seem to be carrying over..

        What are separatists going to separate from now. The entire state is UT. That means its like national capital territory. On top of that its being bifurcated. So they get less than half what was there before.
        This should get an award for stupidest argument ever.. that's like saying, should've just changed the name of Kashmir to something else then their would be no Kashmir for the secessionists to seperate..

        Do you have a problem with abrogating 370 per se or is it the manner in which it was done. That is debatable. But going by the professor whose interview with Karan Thapar posted some pages back....its a fait accompli. Meaning its here to stay. Bifurcation is less certain, that remains to be seen. Taking away statehood. Will that stand further scrutiny remains to be seen.
        Changing the status of a people without their say is morally wrong.. I'm sure you agree with me when it comes to Gilgit-Baltistan being annexed by Pakistan without any local representation but you disagree here because it's your side doing the arm twisting..


        What did they strike at ? what could they strike at, its not like we have terrorist camps. A demonstration strike with no objectives.
        Maybe their objective was to lure out Indian fighters to ambush and shoot one down, which is exactly what they did..

        The cover up when we got an F16.

        We hit a camp decisively.
        The international media did not see evidence of either one of those two things of being true. The shot down F-16 no one could find, and hitting the madrassa which most international media suspect did not happen and the bombs actually missed.

        It was a very big L in terms of India's story internationally.. ofcourse Modi will play it up for his domestic audience and we can await a bollywood flick to show up soon to drum up the same.. its fcking embarrassing when you celebrate the strike on day 1 and then you have nothing to show for it except a downed Indian pilot..

        The reason i give Modi full credit is because he took the risk. Takes the risk gets the bragging rights. All done with tech from decades back. What stopped previous govts ? Will.

        People slammed the raid back in 2016.
        No one slammed the actual raid in 2016, people only slammed Modi's use of that raid for his political benefits and drumming it up.. he was not the first to carry out cross border commando raids, that has happened before plenty of times.. we had been hearing about these raids on forums such as BR and anonymous official accounts long before Modi even came to Delhi.. the only difference is that this disgusting prick has changed the meaning of these strikes from delivering a message to Pakistan to delivering a message to his domestic audience.. it's become a sad fcking circus rather than tactical military action..

        It would not deter anything. What they didn't know was the objectives. Morale & to show the terrorists the Paks could not protect them. That's all. You could say Balakote was a larger version of the same. All of a sudden all those nuke bluffs don't seem to matter any more.
        Oh.... so I see that the narrative has changed again because as I remember correctly the whole purpose of these strikes was suppose to be to deter Pakistan from fking with us.. since that is clearly not happening, let's just change the whole fking narrative again rather than give this gov a big L for the circus they put up and got nothing in return.. Modi always wins it seems.. I guess this is where the term "Bhakt" comes from..

        We've finally come up with a response to subconventional warfare. Overt conventional strikes.
        You're not even clear what purpose they are suppose to achieve.. it would also help if you hit the actual target..
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        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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        • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          Sunnis will never turn against the terrorists, who are sunni too. Mark my words.
          Hehe, you don't see the contradiction in your words here ?

          If sunni cared for sunni then that shopkeeper would not have been shot. They could have persuaded him to fall into line.

          No, this incident shows they are anxious to hold on to their power.

          Previous articles gave the impression that all shops were shut as a protest. Impression i got is it was voluntary. Pandita mentioned that shops were open but you had to go into the inner streets. On the main road most of the shops were shut.

          What i've learned here is people are being coerced to fall into line or pay the ultimate price.

          Not sustainable : )
          Last edited by Double Edge; 01 Sep 19,, 15:25.

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          • Good discussion with all the questions that can be asked in the alotted time



            I wondered why OGW's weren't being acted on. Turns out whenever they got caught a phone call to the police got them off.

            The cops think they can do their job so long as they report to Amit Shah and not any CM.

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            • This is the mass casualty event they're looking for. The border is fenced off already let's see what happens.

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              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                Hehe, you don't see the contradiction in your words here ?

                If sunni cared for sunni then that shopkeeper would not have been shot. They could have persuaded him to fall into line.

                No, this incident shows they are anxious to hold on to their power.

                Previous articles gave the impression that all shops were shut as a protest. Impression i got is it was voluntary. Pandita mentioned that shops were open but you had to go into the inner streets. On the main road most of the shops were shut.

                What i've learned here is people are being coerced to fall into line or pay the ultimate price.

                Not sustainable : )
                The shopkeeper was a sunni? Think I missed that part.
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                  • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                    The shopkeeper was a sunni? Think I missed that part.
                    Even if he was not would any other shopkeeper defy the bandh because they are sunni ?

                    No, they are not going to distinguish. The reprisal would be even harsher as he should have known better.

                    As Chris Fair says the only Kashmiris the Paks care about are dead Kashmiris

                    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                    I don't get this. The two parties aren't liberal and if they choose to abuse liberal ideas how does that mean liberalism is a joke.

                    It ain't a joke, liberalism is the soft middle ground that keeps left & right from making things still more polarised.

                    Once this happens the hardliners from both hog the limelight and the issue at hand gets hijacked, side stepped & forgotten.
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                    • Vacation of PoK: The new dimension in strategic matrix

                      The resurgence of demand for vacation of Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) is the new milestone in Indo-Pakistan strategic exchange. Though earlier rubbished as mere rhetoric, it is now being discussed as likely possibility. Bilawal Bhutto, heir apparent of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) has been asking Prime Minister Imran Khan to stop fretting about Article 370 and focus on saving POK. It is indeed like forcing reckless batsman on to back foot. Pakistan since partition has taken revanchist line, aiming to gain control of entire state of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). Malevolent line of thinking was fuelled primarily by parity (getting more than even with India) fixation, self-appointed guardianship of faith (ideological frontiers) syndrome and above all gross under estimation of Indian capabilities, notably a belief that India lacks will power and intent to take on Pakistan.

                      Khakhi Generals have been repeatedly leveraging first mover advantage combined with nuanced and cultivated facade of irrationality to gain control of escalation matrix in strategic exchanges to retain initiative. The narrative of Kabayali Lashkars in 1947, infiltrator task forces with provocative names like Babur, Khilzi and Ghaznavi in 1965, Razakars in East Pakistan, Mujahids in Kargil and the on-going proxy war in J&K has continued unabated. Horror story has been punctuated with inciting and supporting of rebels in the North East and Khalistan terrorists. In keeping with our forgiving nature, new generation of Indians, obsessed with present situation in valley has little idea of now forgotten links between erstwhile Pakistan and militant groups in the north-eastern states dating back to 1952. Utilizing East Pakistan as staging post, sanctuary, weapons and training, including Chinese assistance, was funnelled to Naga militants.

                      This misadventure continued till ’90s with scope extended under complicit military rulers of Bangladesh to include many other groups, notably United Liberation Front of Assam. The entire story has been documented by Hein G Kiessling in highly acclaimed book “Faith, Unity, Discipline: The ISI of Pakistan”.

                      India, in contrast, has been tentative, reactive and defensive and was able to grab control of strategic inter play, only temporarily for brief periods during liberation of Bangladesh and Operation Meghdoot in Siachen. This appears to be now changing with Balakot surgical strikes and revocation of Article 370. India seems to have called off nuclear bluff, discovered new strategic space below nuclear sabre rattling and even injected sense of shock and awe in Rawalpindi General Headquarters. It is indeed heartening to note that for once, we are in control of escalation matrix and are living up to the name of ‘fox land’, used by Pakistan to describe us in their war games.

                      The call for re-integration of POK is not all about being wily but fits in with our concept of ‘Dharma Yudh’ or struggling for the right cause. The vast stretches of occupied territory originally included Gilgit-Baltistan (GB), Shakshgam valley and even Aksai Chin. Even if Pakistan is given benefit of doubt on Aksai Chin, illegally seized by China in ’50s, while India slept, it cannot be absolved of criminal act of gifting away 6,993 sq km of strategically important, Shakshgam to Chinese in 1963. Even worse was diabolic plot of engineering secret Karachi pact on April 29, 1949 with forged signatures of founder president of POK, Sardar Ibrahim Khan and chief of J&K Muslim Conference, Ghulam Abbas. Pseudo agreement separated and legitimized forcible occupation of 72,971 sq km of GB.

                      The entire occupied territory was technically in ‘stand still’ mode and act was executed without consultation with local populace, India and not even reported in media. By this act, Pakistan took direct control of GB. The sordid plot was kept secret for 59 long years till revealed in the court proceedings of high court of POK in 1990s and later included in the so-called Constitution of POK in 2008.

                      Shia soldiers of Northern Light Infantry were misused as cannon fodder in Kargil and their sacrifices and mortal remains were not even acknowledged by ungrateful Pakistan Army. With their leaders in exile, 18 lakh Shias in GB face increasing persecution. The entire region is being subjected to demographic and cultural inversion, on the lines of Hanisation of Xinjiang. Their natural resources like gold mines have been handed over to Chinese companies.

                      Vast hydrographic potential of this region is planned to be tapped as part of China–Pakistan Economic Corridor. It is ironical that GB is being subjected to ecological plundering with submergence of large tracts of territory. In one case, reservoir is planned to be situated in GB and power house in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, thereby giving royalty benefit to the latter.

                      Residual POK, which is only 13,297 sq km and one sixth of GB with population of 40 lakh is facing increasing marginalization of local Kashmiris and Mirpuris by Punjabi Pothoharis and Pashtuns. The province has sham democracy with no voice in Parliament and parties demanding freedom are not even allowed to contest in local elections. All dissent in GB and POK is suppressed brutally under Schedule IV of notorious Control of Terrorism Act. On the other hand, earthquake of 2005 was utilized by Hafiz Saeed and Jamaat-ud-Dawah affiliated NGO Falah-e-Insaniyat to proliferate Madrasas and radicalism creating terror launch pads.

                      Liberation of POK, or at least strategic stretches vital for our security, is likely to be long, tedious and tough struggle entailing building up of required niche capabilities and asymmetries besides tacit nod or at least acquiescing stance of relevant powers. In the interim, it is good bargaining leverage to retain initiative on strategic matrix.
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                        Check out her profile and comments section. Your father was a murderer, a rapist, and a dacoit. How could she forget her father's own actions. Shameless really.

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                        • Justification for Removing Kashmir’s Article 370
                          by Tomas Zdechovsky, Member of the European Parliament | Sep 1, 2019 | Articles, European Parliament, News,

                          Jammu and Kashmir is one of India’s twenty nine states, with Srinagar as its capital. Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is also part of the Jammu Kashmir state of India, which Pakistan invaded in 1947. The Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir consists of the Kashmir Valley, the Jammu and Ladakh regions, and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir includes Gilgit-Baltistan.

                          Whilst the region is one of the most stunning and beautiful in the world, much of it rich in resources and opportunity, the region is also a conflict zone with a history of tension even prior to 1947. Recently tensions between India and Pakistan escalated following the February 2019 suicide bombing in Pulwama, when a vehicle borne improvised explosive device struck a convoy of Indian security forces, killing 40 soldiers of the Central Reserve Police Force, which is a federal paramilitary unit widely deployed in Indian-Administered Kashmir.

                          The Government of India has accused armed groups supported by Pakistan of committing human rights abuses including targeting civilians and off-duty soldiers in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. According to Indian authorities, “cross-border terrorism emanating from Pakistan” is the main challenge in Jammu and Kashmir. Justification for this sentiment is well documented, and resulted in the revocation of article 370 along with a change in the Indian constitution in order for Prime Minister Modi to be able to address the rising incidents of terrorism across India.

                          The 2019 Report of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) on the situation of human rights in Indian-Administered Kashmir and Pakistan-Administered Kashmir covering the period from May 2018 to April 2019, notes that “Since the late 1980s, a variety of armed groups has been actively operating in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, and there has been documented evidence of these groups committing a wide range of human rights abuses, including kidnappings, killings of civilians and sexual violence. While in the 1990s there were reportedly over a dozen armed groups operating in Indian-Administered Kashmir, in recent years four major armed groups are believed to be operational in this region: Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Hizbul Mujahideen and Harakat Ul-Mujahidin. All four are believed to be based in Pakistan- Administered Kashmir.” Furthermore the report states that “Two armed groups have been accused of recruiting and deploying child soldiers in Indian-Administered Kashmir.”

                          These armed groups were reportedly responsible for attacks on persons affiliated or associated with political organisations in Jammu and Kashmir including the killing of at least six political party workers and a separatist leader. In the lead up to the local elections in October 2018, armed groups threatened Kashmiris attempting to participate in the elections, and warned of “dire consequences” if those running for elections did not immediately withdraw their nomination papers and publicly apologised for their actions. While armed groups have sporadically threatened political workers in previous elections, the number of attacks in 2018 is amongst the highest in recent times.

                          Pakistan-based armed groups that operate mostly in Indian-Administered Kashmir have also been accused of harassing and threatening nationalist and pro-independence political workers in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. On 2 August 2018, unknown armed group members attacked and burned down at least 12 schools in Gilgit-Baltistan’s Diamer district. At least half were girls’ schools.

                          On the 14th of February, 2019, a suicide bombing against the Indian security forces in Pulwama was claimed by Jaish-e-Mohammed. India blamed Pakistan for continuing to support the group’s activities. Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi confirmed to an international news organisation that Jaish-e-Mohammed founder Mohammad Masood Azhar is present in Pakistan. On the 1st of May 2019, the United Nations Security Council Da’esh and Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee announced that it had added Mohammad Masood Azhar to its list of individuals or entities subject to the assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo.

                          Pakistan’s endorsed engagement and support of state sponsored terrorism has also been confirmed by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF). FATF is an inter-governmental organization that monitors money laundering and terrorist financing. FATF stated in February that Pakistan “does not demonstrate a proper understanding of the TF [terror financing] risks posed by Da’esh, AQ [Al Qaeda], JuD [Jamaat ud Dawa], FiF [Falah-i-Insaniyat Foundation], LeT [Lashkar e Tayyiba], JeM [Jaish-e-Mohammed], HQN [Haqqani Network], and persons affiliated with the Taliban.” It urged Pakistan to address its “strategic deficiencies” and complete its action plan.

                          In its fight against terrorism, and against acts of violence in Indian-Administered Kashmir and also in India, by Pakistani based terrorists and armed groups, Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi had to act. His choice of action, whilst harsh and direct was criticised by many who failed to understand his motive. On the 5th of August, 2019, Prime Minister Modi revoked Article 370 through a Presidential Order and the passage of a resolution in Parliament.

                          Article 370 of the Indian constitution gives a special status to Jammu and Kashmir allowing it to have a separate constitution, a state flag and autonomy over the internal administration of the state. This article, along with Article 35A, defined that the Jammu and Kashmir state’s residents live under a separate set of laws, including those related to citizenship, ownership of property, and fundamental rights, as compared to resident of other Indian states. The removal, temporarily or permanently of these articles should be seen as a global stance against terrorist activities, where today terrorists exploit the principles of democracy, freedom of speech and human rights practiced by the majority, whilst at the same time imposing fear, violence and killings as justification for their causes.

                          Prime Minister Modi understood the challenge he was undertaking with his sudden revocation of Article 370, although for those following his election campaign, he had already committed to undertake this initiative if his electorate were to appointe him. With his landslide victory, his focus on genuinely protecting his people by prioritising the fight against terrorism remains unshaken.. Providing almost immediate justification to his actions, on 6th August, the day after his announcement to revoke Article 370, the Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan gave a dramatic speech that invited and incited further terrorist activity in India. “incidents like Pulwama are bound to happen again, I can already predict this will happen.” said Khan calling to his Parliament, people and Pakistani based terrorist groups. At the same time his Army Chief, General Qamar Javed Bajwa stated that Pakistan’s military will “go to any extent” to protect Kashmir. Mullah Masood Azhar, chief of the Jihadi group, further explained that ‘Now it’s the time that Kashmiris need to come out with unity so that the enemy will beg for peace and negotiations.’

                          It is hoped that by the equal inclusion of Jammu and Kashmir state under the same constitution as India’s other twenty-eight states, India can ensure that its values of free and fair elections without intimidation, its values of diversity and religious harmony, and its fight against terrorism, can provide greater stability and security not only for the people of India, but for those throughout South Asia.
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                          • Jihad – The goal of Pakistan for Kashmir
                            by Paulo Casaca - Executive Director of the South Asia Democratic Forum | Aug 26, 2019

                            A recent constitutional change on the status of Jammu and Kashmir has occupied prime time on the United Kingdom’s media, and Western media more generally, albeit not always in a balanced and informed way.

                            In India, the recent constitutional change regarding the statute of Jammu and Kashmir, announced on August 5th, was not unexpected. The change was at the centre of the ruling party’s electoral programme during the recent national elections, and whilst it is a major development, it cannot be seen as a complete surprise. However, such a move did require swift and coordinated actions, completed through a Presidential decree, and preceded by a widely announced security operation in the State. This also involved the cancellation of religious pilgrimages, requesting tourists to leave, a reinforcement of security, and the imposition of wide restriction on telecommunications and a curfew.

                            Recent political debates have been heated in both India and Pakistan, which has drawn international media attention as both parliaments have traditionally demonstrated more laid back and less dramatic attitudes. The move triggered a passionate discussion by constitutionalists in India and might still be referred to the highest legal authorities in India, as it affects the country’s political map through a complex set of legal interplays. Such issues have always elicited passionate responses in both India and Pakistan, especially in regards to disputed lands in Jammu and Kashmir.

                            The tensions stem from the times of British India, which covered a vast subcontinent that was demographically the largest geographical entity in the World. These diverse regions were simultaneously blended and partitioned (there were almost 600 princely states in the British India of 1947) in a tormented process whose consequences remain unresolved even now. One of the most regrettable arrangements was the partitioning of India and the formation of the majority Islamic states of East (now Bangladesh) and West Pakistan. This decision justified the reorganisation of the country on the basis of religious beliefs by majority populations, which resulted in tremendous waves of ethnic cleansing, and ultimately fully-fledged genocides by Pakistan against Bangladesh, which has been behind decades of suffering. The former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, wedged between India and the newly formed East Pakistan, witnessed these consequences most tragically. Its demographic centre lay in Kashmir – more specifically in its valley – yet also included regions beyond Jammu, which was comprised of a vast array of territories with great ethnic and religious diversity. This region is now mostly organised as ‘Gilgit and Baltistan’ under Pakistani occupation and Ladakh, which is mostly under Indian administration. Attacked by Pakistani proxy militias, the State’s ruler asked for its incorporation into India, resulting in a stalemate which was further complicated by the unilateral concession of some of the territory, which was previously under the control of Pakistan, to China.

                            On the Indian side, at the request of the former prince, a special degree of autonomy was inscribed in the Indian Constitution under the heading of ‘Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir’. This arrangement was supposed to bridge the gap between those who saw themselves as Kashmiris rather than Indians and the interests of Indian national unity.

                            Since that time, in India, the Congress Party – the party which has ruled the country for most of the time since independence – and the majority of the State’s previous rulers considered the arrangement crucial. However, Prime Minister Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) deemed to be impossible to sustain, and has been viewed as more of a problem than a solution.

                            On August6th, the Pakistani Army chief, General Qamar JavedBajwa, said in a dramatic and threatening reaction that his troops are prepared to “go to any extent” to help Kashmiris. Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan anticipated a new Pulwama (location of Jaish-e-Mohammad attack in 2019 on Indian Kashmir); and Mullah Masood Azhar, chief of the so-called Jihadi group, which has been blacklisted by the United Nations for having masterminded the above mentioned attack, further explained that ‘Now it’s the time that Kashmiris need to come out with unity so that the enemy will beg for peace and negotiations.’

                            The turmoil found its way into the international press, which generally blamed the Indian Constitutional amendment for the new tensions, and failed to recognise that India had followed the request by the former princely ruler to provide the state a special statute that allowed a high level of autonomy to Jammu and Kashmir. This was never undertaken from the Pakistani side, where the region has been kept under the strict control of its central authorities. Only recently were the people of Pakistan occupied Kashmir which includes Gilgit and Baltistan, authorised to have regional representation (first elections date from November 2009). However, its powers to this day have been strictly under the central supervision of Pakistan’s authorities. Furthermore, Pakistan has systematically, and vehemently, opposed elections in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir that it now claims to defend. The last such elections saw the initiation of the first ever long-range shelling campaign. Jihadi outfits, such as Hizbul Mujahideen or Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) – renamed Tehreek-e- Azadi-e Kashmir (TAJK), tried to terrorise people into not voting.

                            Pakistan has shown long-term opposition to any sort of constitutional autonomy for Jammu and Kashmir, whether under its own occupation or under India’s control. We are no longer seeing a quest for autonomy or independence, but a straightforward call for Jihad. To make matters worse the UK, and the Western press as a whole, are propagating this incitement for terror.

                            The Jihad based in Pakistan occupied Kashmir is not significantly different from the ones that have been witnessed in Afghanistan, Gaza or Yemen, or the ones that have been unfolding in Iraq and Syria, and there is no reason for anyone to believe that its results will be any different. The institutional architecture in place in Jammu and Kashmir under Indian administration must combat this Jihadism. Therefore, the radical change to revoke Article 370 is the institutional framework is a necessary condition in the fight against Jihad, although not the only one.

                            What emboldened the Pakistani authorities into openly threatening an intensification of terrorism in Kashmir has nothing to do with the Indian constitutional debate, but with the Pakistani perception of the Taliban’s victory in Afghanistan which has been perpetuated by Western leaders. If the strategy of terrorism by proxies worked in Afghanistan, it will certainly work in Kashmir!
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                            • Why are critics of 'Im the Dim' calling him 'PM Niazi'? 1971 war and Lt. Gen Niazi in erstwhile east-Pak?
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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                I don't get this. The two parties aren't liberal and if they choose to abuse liberal ideas how does that mean liberalism is a joke.

                                It ain't a joke, liberalism is the soft middle ground that keeps left & right from making things still more polarised.

                                Once this happens the hardliners from both hog the limelight and the issue at hand gets hijacked, side stepped & forgotten.
                                I was only interested in:

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