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In Bangalore, Goons Threaten To Skin Australian Man For His Goddess Tattoo
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Originally posted by cataphract View PostIf you care so much about the image of the nation, why are you posting this shit on a global forum?"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by antimony View PostWe are more concerned with the state of the nation, the image is a false construct for small minded nationalists. People get fed by real growth and are protected by real law and order, not by a false image.
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Originally posted by cataphract View PostThat's not what Oracle claimed. Stop speaking on his behalf."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by anil View PostIt could be blasted out in timesnow or ibn, it does not matter. No one cares. Don't you get it?
Around 2 years ago, almost every national print and electronic media ganged up together in a bizarre and colossal effort to stop the gujarat cm from becoming the pm of india. Though the mission failed miserably, it revealed to watchers around india that the indian population is not influenced by these broadcasters. We now believe that vernacular dailies may hold that influence but not completely sure. Perhaps through a close knit community.For Gallifrey! For Victory! For the end of time itself!!
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I'll let you chaps fight among yourselves and offer you a perspective from Australia. Unsurprisingly this has had a fair bit of coverage here. Having a bunch of goons threaten to skin someone because they don't like his tattoo tends to get people's attention. It made Indians look crazy & violent, especially coming so soon after the latest batch of gang rapes.
I should point out that when Australians get in trouble overseas we don't necessarily jump to the defence of our own. We know enough about how Australians can behave overseas that if the behaviour seemed to warrant the response people might be inclined to go with 'he was asking for it'. I suspect that if you explained the offence this might cause people would understand why he might be asked to cover it up. Being threatened with skinning, however, just makes people think of the sort of stuff we usually associate with radical Islam. That is the current reference point for religious extremism, so that is the immediate comparison.
Having seen my own nation's reputation unfairly impugned by the Indian media I am disinclined to feel any sympathy at claims of 'sensationalism'. Seemed perfectly OK when lies about Australia were the flavour of the month.sigpic
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostI'll let you chaps fight among yourselves and offer you a perspective from Australia. Unsurprisingly this has had a fair bit of coverage here. Having a bunch of goons threaten to skin someone because they don't like his tattoo tends to get people's attention. It made Indians look crazy & violent, especially coming so soon after the latest batch of gang rapes.
I should point out that when Australians get in trouble overseas we don't necessarily jump to the defence of our own. We know enough about how Australians can behave overseas that if the behaviour seemed to warrant the response people might be inclined to go with 'he was asking for it'. I suspect that if you explained the offence this might cause people would understand why he might be asked to cover it up. Being threatened with skinning, however, just makes people think of the sort of stuff we usually associate with radical Islam. That is the current reference point for religious extremism, so that is the immediate comparison.
Having seen my own nation's reputation unfairly impugned by the Indian media I am disinclined to feel any sympathy at claims of 'sensationalism'. Seemed perfectly OK when lies about Australia were the flavour of the month.
My gripe is not with the "goons" as every country has retarded shits who are looking for a fight. In any case we only have the Australian's perspective on the matter. I don't know what really happened and how the things escalated. I have an issue with the police demanding the guy to write a formal apology instead of actually protecting him. Having said that, the police could have made him write the letter to avoid further escalation as according to some reports there was a politician involved and sadly the police have little control or power over the political class in this country. This is the problem with the open-to-interpretation arbitrary free speech laws that exist in India.
The fact that these incidents are on the rise under Modi is worrying though. Even if Modi personally doesn't condone these acts, a lot of his party's support comes from these sections of the society. And with him in power these supporters feel empowered to do as they please. I honestly fail to understand Modi's stand on such issues. On one hand we have him travelling the world parading our country as a great destination for business and manufacturing while on the other hand we have these issues getting highlighted more and more in the media. Not sure how this portrayal affects his over-all objective of getting more businesses to shift to India.
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Originally posted by cataphract View PostIf you care so much about the image of the nation, why are you posting this shit on a global forum?
Now, since you asked me why I'm posting this shit on a global forum? People outside India should know how regressive we have become as a society, coz' that would help them makes their choices about the world's largest democracy. I'll be nice, for now, when I say that you are either on this side of the line or the other who are trying hard to make India a Hindu version of Pakistan. Choose wisely.
cataphract, one more thing. Don't you dare ask me ever again why I post this and such stuff. This is a global forum, and I'd do as I please unless I break rules. Don't like it, don't participate. You must be very good looking the other way when innocents get killed or harassed. Don't expect kudos from me.Last edited by Oracle; 22 Oct 15,, 17:41.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by DarthSiddius View PostBF,
My gripe is not with the "goons" as every country has retarded shits who are looking for a fight. In any case we only have the Australian's perspective on the matter. I don't know what really happened and how the things escalated. I have an issue with the police demanding the guy to write a formal apology instead of actually protecting him. Having said that, the police could have made him write the letter to avoid further escalation as according to some reports there was a politician involved and sadly the police have little control or power over the political class in this country. This is the problem with the open-to-interpretation arbitrary free speech laws that exist in India.
The fact that these incidents are on the rise under Modi is worrying though. Even if Modi personally doesn't condone these acts, a lot of his party's support comes from these sections of the society. And with him in power these supporters feel empowered to do as they please. I honestly fail to understand Modi's stand on such issues. On one hand we have him travelling the world parading our country as a great destination for business and manufacturing while on the other hand we have these issues getting highlighted more and more in the media. Not sure how this portrayal affects his over-all objective of getting more businesses to shift to India.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by DarthSiddius View PostBF,
My gripe is not with the "goons" as every country has retarded shits who are looking for a fight. In any case we only have the Australian's perspective on the matter. I don't know what really happened and how the things escalated. I have an issue with the police demanding the guy to write a formal apology instead of actually protecting him. Having said that, the police could have made him write the letter to avoid further escalation as according to some reports there was a politician involved and sadly the police have little control or power over the political class in this country. This is the problem with the open-to-interpretation arbitrary free speech laws that exist in India.
I'll leave the issue of what actually happened, though I'm not aware of claims by the police or anyone else that the man in question was doing anything other than sitting in a cafe.
I agree that the actions of the police are troubling. Even if they were only trying to 'defuse' the situation by forcing him to write the letter it says something about the state of law & order. I feel confident that in a comparable situation in Australia (and I can't think of anything directly comparable that would be likely to happen) the victim would not be treated like this.
The fact that these incidents are on the rise under Modi is worrying though. Even if Modi personally doesn't condone these acts, a lot of his party's support comes from these sections of the society. And with him in power these supporters feel empowered to do as they please. I honestly fail to understand Modi's stand on such issues. On one hand we have him travelling the world parading our country as a great destination for business and manufacturing while on the other hand we have these issues getting highlighted more and more in the media. Not sure how this portrayal affects his over-all objective of getting more businesses to shift to India.sigpic
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostBut, I would have no qualms if things go downhill and the US justice department (if that's the department that imposes sanctions due to religious intolerance or maybe the state department) imposes sanctions on India due to the shit that's happening. The BJP Government needs a smack, a tight one, to get things on order. In here, people are questioning my choice of meat eating, even though I'm a Hindu and meat eating has been a part of my cultural heritage and tradition for centuries.
Now, since you asked me why I'm posting this shit on a global forum? People outside India should know how regressive we have become as a society, coz' that would help them makes their choices about the world's largest democracy. I'll be nice, for now, when I say that you are either on this side of the line or the other who are trying hard to make India a Hindu version of Pakistan. Choose wisely.
Originally posted by Oracle View Postcataphract, one more thing. Don't you dare ask me ever again why I post this and such stuff. This is a global forum, and I'd do as I please unless I break rules. Don't like it, don't participate. You must be very good looking the other way when innocents get killed or harassed. Don't expect kudos from me.Last edited by cataphract; 23 Oct 15,, 02:28.
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostDarth,
I'll leave the issue of what actually happened, though I'm not aware of claims by the police or anyone else that the man in question was doing anything other than sitting in a cafe.
I agree that the actions of the police are troubling. Even if they were only trying to 'defuse' the situation by forcing him to write the letter it says something about the state of law & order.
I feel confident that in a comparable situation in Australia (and I can't think of anything directly comparable that would be likely to happen) the victim would not be treated like this.
Rule of law in its many forms is a big issue for business, as is the perceived desirability of a particular location for employees. Other considerations might be bigger at this stage, but that can change. Stories like this don't help.Last edited by DarthSiddius; 23 Oct 15,, 06:13.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostYou spoke my mind. RSS is Brahmin dominated, Modi is OBC. Modi had a showdown with Togadia before he became PM. Even RSS was not in favour of Modi as the PM candidate earlier. Modi also put his mind to development in Gujarat, so that he gets the National stage. Now he has the National stage, has Modi become a proxy listening to calls from the Sangh Parivar to look the other way?Last edited by DarthSiddius; 23 Oct 15,, 05:45.
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Originally posted by cataphract View PostAh, I get it now. You think that your self-flaggelation on a global forum would somehow raise alarm in the US govt and get sanctions slapped on the Indian govt. That's adorable. Far be it from me to get in the way of your delusional crusade, but if that's your viewpoint, don't claim that you're actually worried about India's image.
Originally posted by cataphract View PostIf it's within your rights to make multiple threads about the same story, it's within my rights to call you on it. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.Last edited by Oracle; 23 Oct 15,, 19:09.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by DarthSiddius View PostI doubt Modi is a proxy given all those past conflicts you mentioned. It's just the pandering to his "vote bank" by trying not to alienate his core supporters that I think is causing more harm to India's image. Businesses are by and large still optimistic about India's prospects for the time being. Also, he did come out against the lynching so I still have hope!
Business would come and go, I don't worry about that. What's the use of economic gains if it doesn't percolate to the lowest levels of our society, moreover when those get lynched. And Modi came out after the President spoke against it. Modi never took the initiative, he didn't even during Godhra. My vote is wasted, I know that.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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