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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    So you would torture them for cheering. Thought police anyone?
    Not for cheering but by not divulging potential information that could lead to saving hundreds of innocent lives. You lose the moral ground to say torturing in inhuman when you take pleasure in others dying.

    End of the day, you are offended by their cheering and you want to punish them for cheering.
    I don't remember saying you cheering for them alone would mean we will take you in custody and torture you, but rather I said providing moral support by encouraging him to take more lives. You are guilty as much as someone who is doing the killing.

    Do I? How would you know if I do or I don't without torturing me? And if I know jack shit, you would use torture to learn I know jack shit.
    We are not just going to storm into your house all of a sudden and start torturing. As I said before innocents should be spared no matter which side they are on. I have always maintained that. We WILL and SHOULD do the background work and ONLY after strong evidence that you ARE aiding some terrorist we will nab you and do the dirty work.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by commander View Post
    We(Indian military) didn't start the loop of this shit though. Their brethren started this long back and they are seeing it's effects till day.
    So you would torture them for cheering. Thought police anyone?

    Originally posted by commander View Post
    End of the day all I can see is that you are happy some innocent people were killed by one your friends and you are very glad about it. What's more you know his plans beforehand and informing authorities would have saved countless lives. You failed to do that. Morally you are already wrong and how do you expect me to be morally correct and play fair ?
    End of the day, you are offended by their cheering and you want to punish them for cheering.

    Originally posted by commander View Post
    And you know his whereabouts yet you don't want to give that information to the authorities.If nabbing that guy saves hundreds of lives I wouldn't mind torturing the shit out of you.
    Do I? How would you know if I do or I don't without torturing me? And if I know jack shit, you would use torture to learn I know jack shit.

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    This is the way it supposed to go down, fight the state and not some innocents.

    You do realise if they send any of their armed forced our way of their border they will be looking at a war. They don't need that. So the loophole is to use non-state actors until and for long as the costs are not exceeded.
    Innocents is a strong statement. They are not innocent. You can cut the head of a terrorist group and make sure another head doesn't grow. But how do you fight an entire nation that's sole purpose of existence is to kill every Indian ?

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    You mean the terrorists fighting the GoI and it's forces and not the innocent Kashmiris? Haven't those terrorists butchered innocent Pandits as well as driven them away from Kashmir? And this is not the only or an isolated incident I'm pointing out.
    Not only the Pandit's but they killed muslim's too. They are still killing the local village authorities and makes me wonder why are these people still supporting them? Even if we conduct a scotland type referendum that means only the internal troubles are made silent but the annoyance of Pakistan will still continue. We should disintegrate Pakistan into multiple states with no real fire power. Make them fight among them and bomb the shit out of any terrorist camp within their borders.
    Last edited by commander; 15 Dec 14,, 16:41.

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    This is the way it supposed to go down, fight the state and not some innocents.
    You mean the terrorists fighting the GoI and it's forces and not the innocent Kashmiris? Haven't those terrorists butchered innocent Pandits as well as driven them away from Kashmir? And this is not the only or an isolated incident I'm pointing out.

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Batista View Post
    As per the security experts the terrorists were either specially trained by Pakistani special forces or it was SSG itself on a suicide mission.
    These are hand picked LeT, that outfiit likes to do spectacular operations in India. Read some of Chris Fair's work on LeT.

    This is the way it supposed to go down, fight the state and not some innocents. Out job is to defend and neutralise them.

    You do realise if they send any of their armed forced our way of their border they will be looking at a war. They don't need that. So the loophole is to use non-state actors until and for long as the costs are not exceeded.
    Last edited by Double Edge; 15 Dec 14,, 16:36.

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    For cheering? Think about that. You want to torture me because I cheered. All I did was cheered. I didn't plant that bomb. I just cheered.

    You are arguing for THOUGHT POLICE.
    End of the day all I can see is that you are happy some innocent people were killed by one your friends and you are very glad about it. What's more you know his plans beforehand and informing authorities would have saved countless lives. You failed to do that. Morally you are already wrong and how do you expect me to be morally correct and play fair ?

    And you know his whereabouts yet you don't want to give that information to the authorities.If nabbing that guy saves hundreds of lives I wouldn't mind torturing the shit out of you.
    Last edited by commander; 15 Dec 14,, 16:38.

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    The Japanese have a right to celebrate Nanjing as they see fit. Just as I have the right to call them mother freaking jerks as I see fit. What neither one has is the right to go to war on how the Japanese wants to remember Nanjing.

    Turn around is fair play. Kashmeri families have rightly or wrongly sufferred at the hands of India. Some of them will cheer when Indian soldiers get killed. Do you torture them for getting some moral payback?
    We(Indian military) didn't start the loop of this shit though. Their brethren started this long back and they are seeing it's effects till day.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by commander View Post
    Not when you are cheering for someone who planted bombs and killed hundreds of INNOCENT people many times over, you can't. If you have that kind of an attitude then you deserve every bit of the torture you go through.
    For cheering? Think about that. You want to torture me because I cheered. All I did was cheered. I didn't plant that bomb. I just cheered.

    You are arguing for THOUGHT POLICE.

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by Batista View Post
    Not sure 100% but lot of logistics,routing etc stuff should be the handy work of SSG and they would not risk its own men in direct fire against Indian Army as they have fought unsuccessfully in Kargil.

    They could easily hire few Kasab's(Pakistani teens from very poor and big families) and use them as fodder.
    That's what I said.

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    No worries. :) But, I'd like to go through the article you read. Post the link please.
    It's a printed newspaper in local language. I will try to find if it's available online in English version.

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  • commander
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    You say -

    Then you say -

    Do you seriously think after what happened to the Police, anyone would confront two pissed women with revolvers? Nobody wants unnecessary trouble.

    You expect those people to fight 2 terrorists with revolvers. With what? Knives and sickles? What we can and should do is be vigilant, report suspicious activity or unclaimed luggage, help road accident victims. That's a lot to start with.
    Well I guess I am falling victim for the Indian mentality of expecting someone to stand up to everything that is wrong but doubt if I would ever do that. *sigh* well I sure hope if I be in a situation someday I can do something rather than sitting and complaining about it or hide behind the doors. Come to think of it you guys are right, the villagers didn't have a chance. I also blame the Mamta's government there that in the name of being secular have played host to all kinds of antinational elements -_-

    Your intention is noble, maybe you're getting tied up with words. And you're married(?).
    I am not yet married but it won't be soon that I will fall victim for it ;) (within the next 6-10 months maybe)

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  • Oracle
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    Originally posted by commander View Post
    I am not sure what to believe anymore shown in any media be it print or online. Thanks for the article though.
    No worries. :) But, I'd like to go through the article you read. Post the link please.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by Batista View Post
    Do you even know what you are suggesting?

    FYI... would you like Japanese celebrating the below in the name of freedom of expression?

    BBC News - Nanjing massacre: China's Xi Jinping leads first state commemoration
    The Japanese have a right to celebrate Nanjing as they see fit. Just as I have the right to call them mother freaking jerks as I see fit. What neither one has is the right to go to war on how the Japanese wants to remember Nanjing.

    Turn around is fair play. Kashmeri families have rightly or wrongly sufferred at the hands of India. Some of them will cheer when Indian soldiers get killed. Do you torture them for getting some moral payback?

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  • Batista
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    /\/\/\ Are you sure those were SSG? Why would they risk that when they have an abundance of Jihadis within their country. My guess is, they have been trained by ISI, which are ofcourse ex-military.

    Btw, UN mandates Pakistan to withdraw it's armed forces from PoK, before a plebiscite can be held in Kashmir.
    Not sure 100% but lot of logistics,routing etc stuff should be the handy work of SSG and they would not risk its own men in direct fire against Indian Army as they have fought unsuccessfully in Kargil.

    They could easily hire few Kasab's(Pakistani teens from very poor and big families) and use them as fodder.

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