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Originally posted by commander View PostWe(Indian military) didn't start the loop of this shit though. Their brethren started this long back and they are seeing it's effects till day.
Originally posted by commander View PostEnd of the day all I can see is that you are happy some innocent people were killed by one your friends and you are very glad about it. What's more you know his plans beforehand and informing authorities would have saved countless lives. You failed to do that. Morally you are already wrong and how do you expect me to be morally correct and play fair ?
Originally posted by commander View PostAnd you know his whereabouts yet you don't want to give that information to the authorities.If nabbing that guy saves hundreds of lives I wouldn't mind torturing the shit out of you.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostSo you would torture them for cheering. Thought police anyone?
End of the day, you are offended by their cheering and you want to punish them for cheering.
Do I? How would you know if I do or I don't without torturing me? And if I know jack shit, you would use torture to learn I know jack shit.
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Originally posted by commander View PostNot for cheering but by not divulging potential information that could lead to saving hundreds of innocent lives.
Originally posted by commander View PostYou lose the moral ground to say torturing in inhuman when you take pleasure in others dying.
Originally posted by commander View PostI don't remember saying you cheering for them alone would mean we will take you in custody and torture you, but rather I said providing moral support by encouraging him to take more lives. You are guilty as much as someone who is doing the killing.
Originally posted by commander View PostWe are not just going to storm into your house all of a sudden and start torturing. As I said before innocents should be spared no matter which side they are on. I have always maintained that. We WILL and SHOULD do the background work and ONLY after strong evidence that you ARE aiding some terrorist we will nab you and do the dirty work.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostYou're moving the goal post.
That is not a crime.
That too is not a crime.
Then why do you need to torture if you got the info already?
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Originally posted by commander View PostCheering / supporting is the same in my eyes tbh. You are encouraging him and making him believe whatever he is doing is correct.
Originally posted by commander View PostWhat and what is not a crime is debatable. Cyber crimes are still crimes eventhough they are not harming anyone. So will we let them scums go about supporting these hate groups without facing law ?
Originally posted by commander View PostAgain, my views are entirely different and you have your own. But supporting terrorism in any form is punishable by law.
Originally posted by commander View PostWe know you have a hand in it. And we know you are just an arrow and archer is safe hiding somewhere with the help of other arrows . We still need to find the archer and if you are not willing to help then we have ways to extract that info from you.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThought policing.
No, it is not debatable. The laws are clearly defined.
Cheering is not punishable.
By that time, it's way too late. Torture is the most useless thing to get real time info. The person could just lie, either to stop the pain or deliberately, and send you on a wild goose chase.
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Again, torturing innocent is not acceptable in any means. ONLY if a connection is established between you and the terrorist which actually lead to the killing of many others is when the innocence argument doesn't matter. What CIA did is wrong , they tortured innocents too. I think I was clear in stating that in the beginning of this debate.
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Originally posted by commander View PostYou are free to think whatever you want, but keep it to yourself and don't support a lunatic who is in a rampage of killing people.
Originally posted by commander View PostMan made and not given by GOD himself. A hundred years ago in the US having a slave was permitted by law but is it now ?
Originally posted by commander View PostWhat are your views about those twitter handlers and facebook admins who propagate IS views and help radicalising more people into joining IS ?
Originally posted by commander View PostYou call it cheering, I call it aiding a terrorist.
Originally posted by commander View PostAnd we are not going to verify those information or keep a close watch on you again to see your activities afterwards ?Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostFreedom of Expression.
Laws change.
Agreeing with the IS is not a crime. Even cheering for it is not a crime. Actually joining and participating in IS activities is.
Still not a crime.
You're changing the goal post again. You want to torture me just because I might know something.
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Originally posted by commander View PostFreedom of expression is good, but for good things that can develop humanity and such and not about violence. After all we are living in a civilized world aren't we. Then maybe we can go to stone age where everything was black and white.
Otherwise, you have thought police. You're only allowed to voice those thoughts that the thought police allows you to. Case in point, North Korea. North Korea wants to go to war because we call Kim fat.
Originally posted by commander View PostSo agreeing with IS you agree to their ideology. You support beheading of innocent people and helping them recruit more foot soldiers so they can rape Kurdish women and sell them in the market ? Kill non believers and go on a rampage?
Originally posted by commander View PostBased on whether you are cheering for barbaristic activities or a civilized one. And like I said because of hundreds of people cheering for this barbarism the IS is emboldened to increase it's attack on innocent victims. Had everyone condemned would this group have grown to such powerful organization ?
Originally posted by commander View PostNope I didn't. I was clear when I said Innocent should not be harmed whichever side they were on. But what CIA did was the opposite and without evidence that linked those apprehended to the terrorists were tortured I am against it.
And you're already ready to torture me to find out what we did. For all you know, we were just getting drunk watching a boxing match.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostEither you have freedom of expression or you don't. Freedom of Expression is not about hearing what you want to hear. It is about people expressing ideas that you don't like. You have a right not to listen and you have the right to call them idiots but you do not have the right to slience them.
Otherwise, you have thought police. You're only allowed to voice those thoughts that the thought police allows you to. Case in point, North Korea. North Korea wants to go to war because we call Kim fat.
As long as I don't do any of those things, I can voice my support for them. That is the legal definition of Freedom of Expression. There is no such right as the right not to be offended.
I am even more repulsed by thought police.
But you already assumed guilt by association. I knew Joe Jihardi. He was my friend. Yeah we were together last night. What we did is none of your business.
And you're already ready to torture me to find out what we did. For all you know, we were just getting drunk watching a boxing match.
What the CIA did was exactly what you are saying. I wasn't supporting that and said only after enough evidence pointing towards your involvement in helping him is what makes you an accomplice and not before,
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Originally posted by commander View PostSo you are saying everything is black and white and tomorrow if a Jihadi preaches beheading in front of your house your police will not arrest him but rather sympathize with him?
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Originally posted by commander View PostSo you are saying everything is black and white and tomorrow if a Jihadi preaches beheading in front of your house your police will not arrest him but rather sympathize with him? I understand every human has a right for expression but not at the cost of killing innocent men and women?
As a result, we have some groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church, that take advantage of this to preach hate and intollerance. They are almost universally reviled, but the police protect their right to free speech as much as any other group.
There are a few exceptions, such as threatening the life of the president, or advocating the overthrow of the government, but outside of these specifically defined areas you can say whatever you want without fear of prosecution from the state.Last edited by SteveDaPirate; 15 Dec 14,, 22:48.
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Guys I am not saying that someone who "expresses" his mind should be pounded and anal raped. All I am saying is if proven accomplice you have to face the music. Period. I have never said innocent men and women needs to be thrown in dungeon and given a daily dosage of craziness.
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