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  • Grand Mufti in Kashmir oppose Govt's plan to resettle Hindus

    Double speak by the Kashmiri cleric, shows their separatist designs. The central government must ensure that the displaced pandits are resettled and anyone who oppeses it should be dealt with firmly.

    Muslim Cleric oppose Govt's plan to resettle Hindus in Kashmir, National , Aninews
    Jammu and Kashmir, June 04 (ANI): An influential Muslim cleric in Jammu and Kashmir, Grand Mufti Bashiruddin Ahmad opposed central government's plan to resettle displaced Hindus in strife-torn valley in a separate area. More than 250,000 Kashmiri Hindus, known as 'Pandits', fled their burning homes when a revolt against Indian rule in Kashmir broke out in 1989. A group of prominent religious leaders cautioned the government against any move to create separate settlements for the community, terming it as a political conspiracy. While highlighting agendas of his new government, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, listed bringing Kashmiri Pandits back to their homeland with full dignity and security.

    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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    I was watching TimesNOW last night and Arnab asked the Mufti's son (who was on the panel defending his father's statement) if he considered Kashmir as an integral part of India, and the Mufti's son said he doesn't. Lives in India, carries an Indian passport and holds such negative views. I don't agree with his seditious views, unfortunately, in a democracy he too is entitled to his opinions. The fact that Kashmir (the valley) is 96+% Muslims blew me.

    The last time the Central Government tried to resettle Kashmiri Pandits (2007/08?), 28 of them were massacred by LeT. So, is this a good step? Why not train and arm the Pandits before re-settling them, so that they can defend themselves when Police or Army isn't round the corner. Also, when Pandits were leaving/kicked out of the valley, Muslims took over their ancestral properties. Do the Pandits get those back?
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    • #3
      More than 250,000 Kashmiri Hindus, known as 'Pandits', fled their burning homes when a revolt against Indian rule in Kashmir broke out in 1989.
      And what pray tell was the govt doing when this was going on ?

      Is this yet another classic example where its better to let the local fires die down or stir bigger ones elsewhere.

      An influential Muslim cleric in Jammu and Kashmir, Grand Mufti Bashiruddin Ahmad opposed central government's plan to resettle displaced Hindus in strife-torn valley in a separate area.
      This idea is difficult to implement now 25 years later and going to cause trouble.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 04 Jul 14,, 17:17.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        And what pray tell was the govt doing when this was going on ?

        Is this yet another classic example where its better to let the local fires die down or stir bigger ones elsewhere.
        The Congress under Late PM Rajiv Gandhi was on their way out and VP Singh was the next in line in 1989. The problem with successive (Central & State) Governments in India is that they have a laid back attitude. They wake up only when their arses get kicked.

        However, with the Government led by Mr. Narendra Modi in power, and not even 2 months at the reign the soundbytes are positive. Be it the economy, infrastructure or with the rehabilitation of the Pandits. If and how they manage to get it done without bloodshed would be interesting.

        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
        This idea is difficult to implement now 25 years later and going to cause trouble.
        Sure it will.

        Our western neighbors must be smirking while cleaning their barrels.
        Last edited by Oracle; 05 Jul 14,, 04:46.
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          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          The Congress under Late PM Rajiv Gandhi was on their way out and VP Singh was the next in line in 1989. The problem with successive (Central & State) Governments in India is that they have a laid back attitude. They wake up only when their arses get kicked.
          What an utter disgrace. When have we had 250k people displaced since independence. Riots don't end up moving this many, a tenth maybe.

          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          However, with the Government led by Mr. Narendra Modi in power, and not even 2 months at the reign the soundbytes are positive. Be it the economy, infrastructure or with the rehabilitation of the Pandits. If and how they manage to get it done without bloodshed would be interesting.
          There is a moral imperative to right past wrongs. People demand justice no matter how long it takes and politicians have to oblige feasible or not. Future promises.

          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          Sure it will.

          Our western neighbors must be smirking while cleaning their barrels.
          yes, all sorts of possibilities open up now. insurgencies take time to get going, this could be helpful in restarting things.

          But the bigger win has already been achieved, ethnic cleansing and the Indian state does nothing about it.

          Why ? Did article 370 get in the way. law & order is state subject, this is a great deal more than just law & order.
          Last edited by Double Edge; 05 Jul 14,, 13:03.

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          • #6
            How one plans to just return the people. In 25 years many passed away, others got kids who have frienda in the new surroundings and nothing in common with j&k. Even if India rebuilds all the houses, roads, displace the newcommers.

            How will you make people return?
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            • #7
              Its just a load of hot air by the central govt.
              If they really want to make it work, they would have to take a lot of pages out of the Israeli book.
              It would be brutally difficult.

              I think it might go something like this:
              Identify the land to be cleared, clearance would probably have to be done by paramilitary formations like the rashtriya rifles.
              Provide at least temporary resettlement for the muslim DPs
              Select Kashmiri Pandit families with the willingness to tough it out (this would be the toughest part, after 25 years the generations growing up elsewhere wont be inclined to make the sacrifices needed).
              Provide them with arms, training and funding.
              Build fortified settlements connected by private roads. Probably you would again have to provide central govt security with troops posted at nearby bases.
              Dig in and wait for the inevitable.
              Once you weather the storm, creep forward with more settlements, more roads, more exclusion zones.

              Not to mention renewed separatist sentiment everywhere in kashmir with the concomitant uptick in attacks all over.
              Last edited by bolo121; 05 Jul 14,, 14:39.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                What an utter disgrace. When have we had 250k people displaced since independence. Riots don't end up moving this many, a tenth maybe.
                True.

                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                There is a moral imperative to right past wrongs. People demand justice no matter how long it takes and politicians have to oblige feasible or not. Future promises.
                Big talk from the Government just as Bolo said?

                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                yes, all sorts of possibilities open up now. insurgencies take time to get going, this could be helpful in restarting things.

                But the bigger win has already been achieved, ethnic cleansing and the Indian state does nothing about it.

                Why ? Did article 370 get in the way. law & order is state subject, this is a great deal more than just law & order.
                The J&K State Government was complicit. There is no way killing pogroms can continue without the nod of those in power.

                And as we speak - JeM militant killed in gunfight with army; locals hold protest
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                • #9
                  The GoI can not provide security to the people in Delhi, so why cry about Kashimiri Pundits lacking security in Kashmir....

                  Keep buying planes and ships that cost of billions of dollars.

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                  • #10
                    How to compare general law & order situation (in Delhi) to ethnic cleansing of this magnitude (in Kashmir) ?
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Jul 14,, 17:01.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                      How one plans to just return the people. In 25 years many passed away, others got kids who have frienda in the new surroundings and nothing in common with j&k. Even if India rebuilds all the houses, roads, displace the newcommers.

                      How will you make people return?
                      That is a very good question. And let's replace how with why for now. Many Pandits have settled abroad (US/UK/West) and are doing well for themselves. Many are doing well in India, outside J&K. So why would any sane Pandit who has built a small successful business or a career in private/government entity want to return to J&K under the shadow of the gun?

                      How I guess is difficult for even Modi to answer. My guess is BJP is testing the waters to check for opposing voices.
                      Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        How to compare general law & order situation to ethnic cleansing of this magnitude ?
                        I'm not sure I understand you clearly, however for a successful ethnic cleansing either the military or the police is needed. The law & order situation could be normal, while turning a blind eye and favoring the people with loud-speakers at the mosques who went on about retribution if the Pandits didn't leave.
                        Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                          That is a very good question. And let's replace how with why for now. Many Pandits have settled abroad (US/UK/West) and are doing well for themselves. Many are doing well in India, outside J&K. So why would any sane Pandit who has built a small successful business or a career in private/government entity want to return to J&K under the shadow of the gun?
                          One way to do it is to send heavy security forces and give way lower (if any) taxes. However, 0% tax on $1 profit makes no sense, so there has to be heavy infrastructural investments, both for those who will return and for those who already live there.

                          How I guess is difficult for even Modi to answer. My guess is BJP is testing the waters to check for opposing voices.
                          Testing the water can lead you to boiling it.
                          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                            How one plans to just return the people. In 25 years many passed away, others got kids who have frienda in the new surroundings and nothing in common with j&k. Even if India rebuilds all the houses, roads, displace the newcommers.

                            How will you make people return?
                            Help them buy/own land/property even if they don't want to physically move.
                            Invest in economic activity in this area, so that the property price rise.

                            The displaced will have ownership of land.

                            End of the day, it is all about land.

                            No one has to move anywhere. No security to provide!

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                            • #15
                              Can someone point me to a source about land ownership laws in India? Current and in time of the exodus?
                              No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                              To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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