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  • Neo
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    I get you are Expat Pakistani. Hardly you will find your reasoning within Pakistan. At least openly expressed.
    Pakiatanis are fed up with terrorist attacks by these talebans in our cities and public hotspots. 50.000 People have died in Pakistan since the war started in Afghanistan and the terrorist crossed the borders to hide in porous mountains of Waziristan.

    Donot believe the media or the civil government officials, they are all to happy and comfortable with coalition funds filling their pockets and they are well off with militancy.

    Common man in Pakistan wants to get rid of them one way or the other. A good taleban is a dead taleban.

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by Neo View Post
    Drone strikes are perfectly legal and effective. Musharraf who struck a deal with CIA on.intel and elimination of high value targets knew that the impact on national sentiment would be negative if PA had started killing the terrorists in FATA. So we agreed CIA to do the dirty job and GoP
    taking care of.PR and aftermath.

    New.Coas Raheel.Shareef thinks in the same lines as Musharraf and will continue to work with Obama administration to allow more drone attacks.

    Pakistan has two sqdns of home built drones armed with Chinese AR-1 missiles but they are not as accurate as US hellfires.
    I get you are Expat Pakistani. Hardly you will find your reasoning within Pakistan. At least openly expressed.

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  • Neo
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    Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    Sounds like the Pakistani's have changed their tune about allowing U.S. drone strikes. Drones hit 2 targets in North Waziristan overnight in the first U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan since December of 2013.

    BBC News - US drones 'hit militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan'
    Drone strikes are perfectly legal and effective. Musharraf who struck a deal with CIA on.intel and elimination of high value targets knew that the impact on national sentiment would be negative if PA had started killing the terrorists in FATA. So we agreed CIA to do the dirty job and GoP
    taking care of.PR and aftermath.

    New.Coas Raheel.Shareef thinks in the same lines as Musharraf and will continue to work with Obama administration to allow more drone attacks.

    Pakistan has two sqdns of home built drones armed with Chinese AR-1 missiles but they are not as accurate as US hellfires.

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  • Neo
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    Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    Seems like Karachi is a long way from Waziristan or areas that US Drones and Combat Fighters might be interested in. I would be pretty surprised to learn that US drones would be operating from an International Airport rather than a PAF installation.
    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    So its not credible that IMU was behind this attack then ?
    Thats poor jounalism, there are no drones in Karachi.

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  • cr9527
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    Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
    Sounds like the Pakistani's have changed their tune about allowing U.S. drone strikes. Drones hit 2 targets in North Waziristan overnight in the first U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan since December of 2013.

    BBC News - US drones 'hit militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan'
    They were never truly against drone strikes. Only PR.

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  • SteveDaPirate
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    Sounds like the Pakistani's have changed their tune about allowing U.S. drone strikes. Drones hit 2 targets in North Waziristan overnight in the first U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan since December of 2013.

    BBC News - US drones 'hit militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan'

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  • lemontree
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    Originally posted by Monash View Post
    Depends on how quick, well trained, mobile you are. It really is a case of shoot and scoot, and the aim is disruption after all, any damage you cause is an added bonus. I don't know how well the Pakistani insurgency is equipped. If they can afford to use and lose 120mm mortar tubes in a single mission fine, if not virtually any high angle explosive round might do,....
    Exactly, any high angle or dorect fire projectile will do.
    On the LOC between India and POK, the jihadis would place their 107mm rockets (SBRL/MBRL ammo) aimed at a target and trigger it with a photosensitive detonator (it use to get activted on sunrise). One can place these rockets with desposable tubes at night and leave the location well before the rockets are triggered.

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  • S2
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    Firestorm,

    "If they wanted to hijack an aircraft why did they enter the old terminal first..."

    Why ask Neo? He offered a link. Sure as hell wasn't his plan. Only those guys planning and executing this attack know for sure and aren't they also claiming via their Uzbek proxies U.S. drones and combat aircraft destroyed on the ground?

    "The TTP has already claimed credit for the Karachi Airport assault, saying it was meant to avenge the November 2013 death of their former ameer Hakeemullah Mehsud in a US drone attack. The fidayeen attack was executed by ten heavily armed Taliban fighters, including some Uzbek nationals belonging to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), which has become an integral part of the TTP due to the unique guerrilla skills of its militants. All 10 Taliban fighters and other 18 people, including 11 security personnel and four airport workers, were killed during the fighting which lasted for at least six hours.

    While Pakistani officials claimed that the Taliban sought to destroy the airplanes at the terminal, TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said the Taliban had planned to hijack the aircrafts and use them for hitting targets at another place. Another TTP leader said the Karachi airport was considered to be one of the most secured installation in the country and the June 8 attack gives a very clear message to the civilian and khaki leadership that no place in Pakistan, no matter how secure it is, was beyond the reach of the Taliban.

    'We had included engineers and skilled people in the squad that stormed the airport. They knew how to operate a plane after hijacking it,'the TTP leader claimed."


    Me? I note at least three possible rationales from the above-revenge, seize aircraft for 9/11 style attack, and/or intimidation. No place is safe. All plausible. None to be likely known for certain by any here.

    Please don't start shooting the messenger.

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  • Firestorm
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    Originally posted by Neo View Post
    They wanted to hi-jack a plane and fly it into some building a la 9/11 but they failed.
    If they wanted to hijack an aircraft why did they enter the old terminal first (which is now used only for a few VIP flights) and then the Cargo terminal? The new passenger terminal is where most of the aircraft would be parked.

    And if the manage to hijack a plane after this kind of attack they won't be flying it into anything. Even if it manages to leave the ground, it will get shot down before they can fly it into any building.

    This hijack theory doesn't seem to add up.

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by Neo View Post
    Lol, IMU is claiming to have destroyed US Drones and Combat Fighters.at Karachi Airport.
    So its not credible that IMU was behind this attack then ?

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  • SteveDaPirate
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    Originally posted by Neo View Post
    Lol, IMU is claiming to have destroyed US Drones and Combat Fighters.at Karachi Airport.
    Seems like Karachi is a long way from Waziristan or areas that US Drones and Combat Fighters might be interested in. I would be pretty surprised to learn that US drones would be operating from an International Airport rather than a PAF installation.

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  • Neo
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    Lol, IMU is claiming to have destroyed US Drones and Combat Fighters.at Karachi Airport.

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  • ambidex
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    IMU releases photos of terrorists.

    !!! Audio in Urdu

    Islamic Movement Of Uzbekistan Takes Responsibility For Karachi Airport Attack & Also Released Photos Of Attackers - Video Dailymotion

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  • Neo
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    Originally posted by Oracle View Post
    Okay. But tell me something, how come the terrorists even wander so close to high value targets? Are there no security blankets? What do you think of insider help to the TTP?
    Lack of live intel and governments sluggish and inapt policy regarding rerrorism and internal security is
    resulting in this mess. There are no CCTV cameras around the airports and other high value targets. Even agter numerous attacks the govt has failed to provide basic security infrastructure.

    Inside help yes, corruption is high in a country which has elected two of.most corrupt people on.earth, Zardari and Shirif who are both billionairs today. TTP is believed to be foreign funded, the claim is not baseless sinve she's been able to hire 5000 Tajik and Uzbek mercenaries over the years and has modern weapons.
    Money talks and an airport officer making 60.000 rupees a month ($60) which is a decent salary in Pakistan can easily be bought for as less as $500-1000 to forge a few security passes.

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  • Neo
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    Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Imagine an asteroid coming at you and you splintered it. Now you have more bits still coming at you.
    Splinter groups can be contained easier depending on their motives and who their main enemy/target is. United they are more dangerous, have more funds and intel.


    To me its a progression from 26/11 (my frame of reference). Drive by shootings then hole up in a hotel and stage a grand last stand. Lots of visbility.

    Here the aim is more specific, target a transport hub and paralyse a key transit point. people coming & going. Lots of people. Who is going to secure all these hubs. This is why leaders always try to defuse the situation with peace talks, does not matter if its serious or not, it means you get little more stability.

    Short term thinking but that's what pols thrive on.
    They wanted to hi-jack a plane and fly it into some building a la 9/11 but they failed.


    Khaki-turned-Jihadi Adnan Rasheed masterminded Karachi attack - thenews.com.pk

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