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  • India just woke up in North Korea or what?

    We must never confuse dissent with disloyalty. When a loyal opposition dies, then the soul of our country will die with it.

    Two Indian citizens are facing arrest for posting anti-Modi comments on FB...
    Goan youth faces arrest for anti-Modi Facebook comments - Rediff.com India News
    Now, anti-Modi picture lands MBA student in dock - The Times of India

    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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    Originally posted by lemontree View Post
    We must never confuse dissent with disloyalty. When a loyal opposition dies, then the soul of our country will die with it.

    Two Indian citizens are facing arrest for posting anti-Modi comments on FB...
    Goan youth faces arrest for anti-Modi Facebook comments - Rediff.com India News
    Now, anti-Modi picture lands MBA student in dock - The Times of India
    LT, do you have have any details on what exactly was posted in each case. I know in the second case it was pretty offensive, pornographic even?

    For example, I know the IT reins have been tightening in our country for some time. My posting and blogging style, both here and elsewhere in the etherspace, is well known by my younger sister, who is a IT geek of some repute and a big shot in the industry till recently when she took a voluntary sabbatical for her kids.

    She was over with her family for the weekend and we got into some socio-political discussion and she was VERY worried about what I was posting, and how, and where.

    I guess you would say that now with "my" side in power, I need not worry for 5 years at least. But the broader issue is that even from the Congress and Kapil Sibal's time, the powers do seem to be getting antsy about us mouthing off.

    It is something that will come to a head sooner rather than later. And we, both you and me, will find ourselves in this fight on the same side.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lemontree View Post
      We must never confuse dissent with disloyalty. When a loyal opposition dies, then the soul of our country will die with it.
      Freedom of speech or the lack thereof.

      Originally posted by lemontree View Post
      Two Indian citizens are facing arrest for posting anti-Modi comments on FB...
      Indians have a 'right to be offended'. Offend and go to jail.

      We do this to maintain internal security & harmony. Pre-emptive, no mucking around.

      Originally posted by sated buddha View Post
      I guess you would say that now with "my" side in power, I need not worry for 5 years at least. But the broader issue is that even from the Congress and Kapil Sibal's time, the powers do seem to be getting antsy about us mouthing off.
      'Your' side hasn't anything to do with this.

      Article 19 (ii) of the constitution is the reason :bang:

      Been like that since 1951.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 26 May 14,, 13:09.

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      • #4
        During the MMS Tenure many of them Posted Some Cartoons posing MMS as a Puupet and so on But No one was Arrested

        The Guy I know one is Named Manoj Kureel a Atrists who makes hundred of Cartoon Picture Mimicking MMS as Joker and Acting as a Robot ..He is still in Facebook Who has a Page Named Manoj Kureel
        sajeevpearlj.blogspot.com

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        • #5
          yeah, it would seem some people are more zealous about applying the existing law than others. Can't fault them for exercising their rights under said law.

          I'm against that law to begin with.
          Last edited by Double Edge; 26 May 14,, 17:31.

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          • #6
            Chidamabaram was fond of using that law to quell any dissent against him or his sons. Same thing with Sonia Gandhi and her son. There were stories of how they would intimidate any journalist or photographer who would try to see what they were up to or even dissent against them.

            So it is not like we just woke up in North Korea just now. It has been happening for the last 10 years so I find lemontree's post as being disingenuous.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
              Freedom of speech or the lack thereof.
              Indians have a 'right to be offended'. Offend and go to jail.

              We do this to maintain internal security & harmony. Pre-emptive, no mucking around.
              Debating in an open forum does not mean the same thing. This is a warpped application of laws.

              While one bunch of people of a political party openly formented communal violence and got tickets to contest elections in one region. Guess what!!... they won and are MLAs now.

              Double standards, don't you think?

              Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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              • #8
                http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/int...ensorship.html

                LT, this adminstration or that administration makes no difference. some times they choose to act on it other times not. Up to the complainant to act or not.

                It's in the constitution, laws can be made on that basis and will not be found unconstitutional by the supreme court.
                Last edited by Double Edge; 27 May 14,, 15:50.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                  So it is not like we just woke up in North Korea just now. It has been happening for the last 10 years so I find lemontree's post as being disingenuous.
                  Why mate?... two cases of vindictiveness in two weeks of obtaining majority! So why fault me with what I say.

                  If anti-national dissent and loyal dissent cannot be differentiated, then what use are our laws and the judiciary?

                  Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sated buddha View Post
                    LT, do you have have any details on what exactly was posted in each case. I know in the second case it was pretty offensive, pornographic even?
                    I agree, but you are also aware of the blatant vulgar and pronographic anti-congress/Manmohan images that are doing the rounds. All of them posted by the pro-Modi supporters. That is why I say it is double standards.

                    I guess you would say that now with "my" side in power, I need not worry for 5 years at least. But the broader issue is that even from the Congress and Kapil Sibal's time, the powers do seem to be getting antsy about us mouthing off.
                    Its not the question of your side or my side. We have a constitution and judiciary that is becoming a mockery.

                    It is something that will come to a head sooner rather than later. And we, both you and me, will find ourselves in this fight on the same side.
                    We saw this tyle pf talibanisation during Bal Thakkery's funeral strike, when the SS forced the police to arrest two girls for online posts.

                    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                      I agree, but you are also aware of the blatant vulgar and pronographic anti-congress/Manmohan images that are doing the rounds. All of them posted by the pro-Modi supporters. That is why I say it is double standards.
                      Congress did not act on it, their choice.

                      Same with Arundhati Roy and the opposition baying for sedition charges to be applied. Why ? because it would give her yet more publicity. Instead they settled for a public apology from her.

                      Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                      We saw this tyle pf talibanisation during Bal Thakkery's funeral strike, when the SS forced the police to arrest two girls for online posts.
                      Yep, those two girls that got rounded up for posting on FB how inconvenienced they were with the huge crowds.

                      SS did not force the cops to act, the cops were obligated to act on the basis of a complaint.
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 27 May 14,, 16:05.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        SS did not force the cops to act, the cops were obligated to act on the basis of a complaint.
                        Isn't it the same?
                        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                        • #13
                          No, the SS or any other outfit does not need to resort to violence when they can have that 800 pound gorilla known as the STATE to do their dirty work for them. All legal.

                          Keeps the peace and these outfits get to brag how nobody can slag them off and get away with it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            No, the SS or any other outfit does not need to resort to violence when they can have that 800 pound gorilla known as the STATE to do their dirty work for them. All legal.

                            Keeps the peace and these outfits get to brag how nobody can slag them off and get away with it.
                            I meant on the forcing the police to act. If it is against the law, shouldn't the police act even if noone reported it? Have to think on this.
                            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                            • #15
                              But they didn't force the cops. It got reported like that. Since they are tough outfit it isn't hard to believe it.

                              What happens is someone finds something offensive and they file a complaint. Cops act on the basis of complaints. They are empowered to do so whenever justified. This is the case anywhere in the world.

                              The problem is what is offensive and to whom is like pain isn't it.

                              Totally subjective.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 27 May 14,, 16:27.

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