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  • JAD_333
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    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    I would love to have seen the Invasion of the Sudetenland moved forward.
    It was more a cakewalk than an invasion. But had Hitler not had the ok from Britain and France to take over, presumably he would have had to invade, in which case he would have had a rough time of it considering that the cream of the Czech defenses were near the border. And had he moved sooner and unilaterally, a bunch of German generals planned to arrest him. Munich may have saved his butt. So, you have a good point.

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  • Minskaya
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    Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
    And the date for the invasion was set for Sept 1. However in the meantime, various proposals (ultimatums) were issued and rejected by Poland. Hitler seemed to be looking for a way to avoid an invasion.
    The Hitler ultimatums concerning Danzig contained demands (population transfers), concessions (loss of sea access), and restrictions (plebiscite voting) that Poland could not possibly have accepted. In addition, Poland well knew what had happened to Czechoslovakia (March 1939) after its concession of the Sudetenland (October 1938).

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    I would love to have seen the Invasion of the Sudetenland moved forward.

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  • zraver
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    If Britain and France had acted more forcefully over Abyssinia, Spain, Rhineland, Austria, Munich, Anglo-German naval agreement and Romania its entirely possible that Hitler could have been stopped. Western indulgence encouraged him to reckless and ultimately doomed abandon.

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  • JAD_333
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    Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
    Hitler's decision to invade Poland was made in May of 1939, months before the summer/autumn ultimatums to Poland. Ergo, Poland's response to the Danzig ultimatums was a moot point.
    And the date for the invasion was set for Sept 1. However in the meantime, various proposals (ultimatums) were issued and rejected by Poland. Hitler seemed to be looking for a way to avoid an invasion.

    In fact, on the day before the invasion Hitler thru his foreign minister offered to scrap the invasion if Poland would agree to give up Danzig and hold a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor.

    I've read opinions that say Hitler did not really want to mount a full scale invasion because the cost in men and material could crimp his plans for invading the USSR. Another opinion is that Hitler didn't want to provoke France and Britain into a war until he had subjugated the USSR. He also had visions, or should I say, fantasies, of a Europe dominated by Germany and Britain.

    But back to the what-if, if Poland had no promise from France and Britain to come to its aid, it's reasonable to entertain the theory that Poland would have given in on the Danzig ultimatum and lived on as an independent, though weakened state for a while, perhaps indefinitely.

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  • Minskaya
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    Hitler's decision to invade Poland was made in May of 1939, months before the summer/autumn ultimatums to Poland. Ergo, Poland's response to the Danzig ultimatums was a moot point.

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  • JAD_333
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    Originally posted by Rimsey View Post
    This may sound like a stupid question, but what would have happened if Hitler had come clean with the British and French regarding his invasion of Poland so that he could have a common boarder with the USSR? Would they have supported his invasion of Russia or would have things still have turned out as they historically did?
    Perhaps a more interesting question would be, what if Britain and France had not pledged to protect Poland. With this protection, Poland's leaders felt emboldened to reject Hitler's ultimatums regarding land access to the Black Sea port of Danzig which was surrounded by Polish territory. Although it would have taken a leap of faith on Poland's part to give in to Hitler, considering Hitler pretty much reneged on every deal he made with his neighbors, Poland might have yielded rather than stand alone against Hitler's armies.

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  • Minskaya
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    Both Britain and France had signed a mutual defense pact with Poland. Hitler well knew and understood the consequences of 1 September 1939.

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  • Rimsey
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    What if Hitler had come clean?

    This may sound like a stupid question, but what would have happened if Hitler had come clean with the British and French regarding his invasion of Poland so that he could have a common boarder with the USSR? Would they have supported his invasion of Russia or would have things still have turned out as they historically did?
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