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Originally posted by deadkenny
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What?! China and the Soviet Union were about as close, maybe closer in the 1950s, than the US and UK are today. Only when Mao wanted more say in global matters did the Soviets get annoyed at the Chinese. They broke off relations in the late 50s or early 60s if I remember correctly."Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb. -
Yes, that sounds about right for the 'open' falling out between the Soviets and PRC. I wasn't referring to that, but rather a simple absence of collaboration or cooperation between them in the lead up to the invasion of the South by the North. Some sources portray the situation as more of a rivalry between Moscow and Beijing, and NK moving away from Moscow and leaning more towards Beijing. However, there is obviously still some debate about these issues in the academic community, with new views being put forward as the 'academic climate' changes, and new information becomes available.Originally posted by gunnutComment
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While both Stalin and Mao didn't particularly like one another, I am willing to believe that they were capable of working together to further their own ends on the Korean peninsula.Comment
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July,13.1950. The Central Military Committee of China made a decision to secure its northeast border by manoeuvring 4 elite armies
July,24.The 38th army arrived at Fengcheng
July,25.The 39th army arrived at Liaoyang
July,26.The 40th army arrived at Dandong
Sep,29.UN troops arrived at 38th parallel
Oct,5. After a long debate,Politics Bureau of China had finally made a decision to intervene.Appointed Pengdehuai as the commander
Oct,25.CPV engaged with South troops
Nov,1. CPV engaged with US 1st Cavalry Division
there were only 20 days between china made the decision and engaged with UN troops.in addition to the air cover and land force furnishment as well as the finance,china was far from "prepared" or "sufficient".Last edited by Davis_Chan; 04 Sep 06,, 11:05.It was when the Great Way declined,that human kindness and morality arose.
It was when intelligence and knowledge appeared,that the Great Artifice began.Comment
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It's the best propaganda that the yuan can buyOriginally posted by Officer of Engineers
The Korean War is not exactly my forte and even I could see CCP horse hockey written all over that article.
I love the part where historians don't know who fired the first shot.
Could it have been one of those hundred or so Inmin'gun T-34's that lunged across the border into South Korea?
They must've gotten lost...been part of a convoy or something.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Good one. Real good one. And you believed it? **** ah, wiping a tear from my eye ***Originally posted by Davis_ChanLast edited by Officer of Engineers; 04 Sep 06,, 04:48.Comment
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And what were they doing before they started the discussion about intervening in the Korean War? Sitting around? Watching TV? Building roads and schools? No. They moved the 4 armies to the border area with the intent of going into Korean to engage the UN forces. That decision was made months before the first man even left his base. A military doesn't just move whole armies around without the intent to actually use them. Over months or years maybe. But not in that short of a time span.Originally posted by Davis_Chan"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.Comment
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LOL :)Originally posted by Davis_ChanNo man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John KerryComment
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Hehehehe...those dates sure do tell a tale, even to a civvie-puke like me.
“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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No it's not photoshopped.Originally posted by deadkenny
Last edited by Bill; 04 Sep 06,, 16:34.Comment
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Damn. Never seen economic failure as clear cut as that.Comment
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interesting thing was, up until the 70s, NK was doing better than SK, because NK had heavy industries and support from the USSR.
then export-led growth from the south took over.
the difference between the dictators in the north and the south were, the south korean leaders felt that they would get stronger if the nation itself got wealthier. the north korean leader always believed that true power remained with the gun.
ironically...both were right.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac AsimovComment
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Yeah, but power from the gun, when faced with abject poverty, eventually discovers that the guns are wielded by average guys who come from that sea of abject poverty. I don't think the North's leaders will be shown to be right for much longer.Originally posted by astralisComment
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