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    Any of these left worth restoring in the world?

  • #2
    Originally posted by rogerwilko View Post
    Any of these left worth restoring in the world?
    Somewhat

    Brewster F2A Buffalo Survivors
    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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    • #3
      ANY WW2 airframe, regardless of its status as a world-beater or as a slug, is worth restoring.

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      • #4
        F2A-1 was the best fighter of WWII in terms of combat results.

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        • #5
          Stats?
          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Monash View Post
            Stats?
            Finnish B-239's (de-navalized FSA-1) claimed victory over 608 Soviet aircraft for the loss of just 19 for a 32:1 victory ratio.

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            • #7
              The -3 was the worst of the bunch, with a bunch of added weight with no corresponding increase in engine power. It didn't help that at Midway, the Marines there weren't that experienced to begin with. The VMF Wildcats there fared little better.

              The early models were comperable to the F4Fs of the time -- probably with better range.

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              • #8
                According to Greg "Pappy" Boyington, they were, as Zad Fnark said, quite competitive before they were weighed down with all manner of armor and gear. The later models he was...less than thrilled with:

                "It was a DOG! But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armor plate, radios and other s--t, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little f--ks could turn and roll in a phone booth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and f--ked it up."

                The Finns were greatly aided by their mechanics solving a chronic problem with the Wright Cyclone engines and also the nice cold air climate they were flying in.
                Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                • #9
                  "It was a DOG! But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armor plate, radios and other s--t, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little f--ks could turn and roll in a phone booth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and f--ked it up."
                  This is EXACTLY the sort of comment that would come from a fighter ace like Pappy. :)

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                  • #10
                    A bit quiet here. Any other undesirable fighters that come to mind? Mind you, I've always gone for the underdog!

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                    • #11
                      in Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 simulator , still can not out-turn an A5M or even an A6M. they can be good turn-fighters in Allied standards but hey we have P-40's... better in every way i think...

                      to me they are sitting ducks if you are in a Zero or any Japanese Fighter. however I-16's (early models with no 20mm cannons) can be comparable maybe or I-153's...maaaybe. considering how their engines behave in negativ G :)
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Big K View Post
                        in Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 simulator , still can not out-turn an A5M or even an A6M.


                        hehe I was going to post a comment about IL-2 ...
                        ... F2A's are a pain in the ass to chase down ...


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RadioPatrol View Post
                          hehe I was going to post a comment about IL-2 ...
                          ... F2A's are a pain in the ass to chase down ...


                          :scared:

                          why chase them? :) use your energy, just zoom&boom them?

                          as far as i remember F2A can not have the initiative on almost any planes in IL-2

                          oh btw if you have Ki-27's with those useless pea-shooter guns... well yes only then it can be a pain to chase them... F2A can not outturn Ki-27 in this nowhere galaxy but it can take lots of punishment :)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Big K View Post
                            why chase them? :) use your energy, just zoom&boom them?

                            I inevitably end up in a tail chase of some sorts ..
                            .... these days I just do 'quick missions' and randomly chose non historic OPFOR ....

                            from what I read on wiki I should be flying the Finnish version, it is lighter was it was 'de navalized'

                            The Buffalos sent to Finland were de-navalized; all the naval equipment, such as tailhooks and life-raft containers were removed, resulting in a lighter aircraft.[46] The Finnish F2A-1s also lacked self-sealing fuel tanks and cockpit armor.
                            I also found it interesting, the Finnish mechanics solved reliability problem with the

                            export-approved Wright R-1820-G5 nine-cylinder radial engine
                            by flipping the bottom piston ring over ....
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                            • #15
                              Not a Brewster, but this P-40B was present at Pearl Harbor during the raid and is coming back to the US to the Collings Foundation, a group that preserves warbirds and military vehicles as well as old cars a couple of towns over from me. This one may be staying in the Buffalo area though, but I still hope to get a chance to see it.
                              Rare warplane that survived Pearl Harbor attack returning to US | Fox News

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