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Originally posted by sappersgt View PostI on the other hand DO know how to kick Angolan.....
Hey my cellmate in Leicester prison in 2002 was a young Angolan dood who told me as a kid his class had to put up with bullets coming through the classroom window.
No wonder he emigrated to Britain..
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostLike hell I'm going to believe you can do better than Bradley.
There you go again popping off at poor old Mick (sniffle)..
The fact remains, Monty offered Ike the full range of specialised Brit beach-assault tanks, Ike said "We'll take all you can give us", but Bradley overuled him on the grounds that it'd take too long to train up American crews to handle them.
However he did take some DD swimmers, nearly all of which sank because they were launched in the wrong place..
So the G.I's hit Omaha without armour support..
In Bradley's shoes I'd have said to Monty "Yeah buddy, we'll take all the specials you can give us"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart's_Funnies
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Advisors
Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI thought you also tangled with Soviet and Chinese advisors.Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
(Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)
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m21,
Did i say anything about killing any 21 year old Japanese college students today? Well?There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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War and peace
Originally posted by Mick in England View PostHey my cellmate in Leicester prison in 2002 was a young Angolan dood who told me as a kid his class had to put up with bullets coming through the classroom window.
No wonder he emigrated to Britain..
We captured a Botswanan Lieutenant in Namibia. During long conversations we found as soldiers we all had more in common with him (the enemy) than the civilians we were fighting for. We made sure he went to a military prison instead of turning him over to the security service (a death sentence).
He wrote to us from prison. We put him in touch with a sponsor in the US and when he was released he immigrated to Kansas City.
I visited him while I was on leave from El Salvador. Showing up unannounced in the blackest part of Kansas City in my South African Sturmpioneer uniform was quite an adventure!Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
(Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)
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Originally posted by Mick in England View PostThere you go again popping off at poor old Mick (sniffle)..
The fact remains, Monty offered Ike the full range of specialised Brit beach-assault tanks, Ike said "We'll take all you can give us", but Bradley overuled him on the grounds that it'd take too long to train up American crews to handle them.
You can't do that. I can't do that. And certainly no pedaphile jail bait from Kansas nor any English Dominmatrix with an umbrella can do that.
Had Bradley properly used his tanks, he might have achieved a sooner breakthrough and reduced casualties but then again, the same can be said if Monty took a more aggressive stance.
Bradley, however, does have a point. British tanks were stuck on the beaches at Dieppe.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostBradley, however, does have a point. British tanks were stuck on the beaches at Dieppe.
um..nevermind“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by sappersgt View PostI visited him while I was on leave from El Salvador. Showing up unannounced in the blackest part of Kansas City in my South African Sturmpioneer uniform was quite an adventure!
Originally posted by astralis View Postm21,
oh sure you have, you ladykiller you.
Hehehehehe.
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Originally posted by Mick in England View PostDieppe was just a "trial landing" to test Jerry defences and gain valuable invasion experience for D-Day.
Originally posted by Mick in England View PostAs a result, special armour landed with the Brits at Gold Juno Sword and performed excellently.
Originally posted by Mick in England View PostBut the armourless Americans had a much rougher time at Omaha..
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Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostThe only thing you know about war is what you see on Tee-Vee.
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostHis mistake was biting off more than he could chew. And that extends far beyond the Ukraine.
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostWell i see morbid military humor is beyond your comprehension. I guess they don't cover that on Tee Vee?
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostNope, not ethnic group, but rather a nationality.
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostJapan has been a Vassal, not an ally. And a conquered vassal, at that.
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostI never signed the geneva accords(nor would i). And know what, the US is not a signatory to most of them either. We merely practice them because it's the PC thing to do in today's political climate.
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostJust because we were "right" in WWII(or other times) does not mean we were "good".
Originally posted by M21Sniper View PostYou are simply deluding yourself into assigning us some high and mighty role of global righteousness. The fact is, the US is looking out for #1....us, and is only 'nice' when it suits us.Last edited by Goatboy; 17 Oct 06,, 00:18.
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Originally posted by Goatboy View PostAnd read in books, and studied at university. I'm talking about POWs here, and the concept of justice, not battle tactics.
I was talking about the first hand reality of war that hits you in the face like a sledge hammer like, for example, the first time you smell something sweet and one of your buddies points out it's the smell of burning human flesh.
Brings home the truth about war real fast, and you dont get that same lesson in books or TV.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostAn even bigger mistake yes I agree. But nontheless I think both of us agree that Hitler's policy emboldened resistence to Nazi occupiers.
Such endeavours are the domain of the Air Force and the Field artillery...
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostHard to decipher inner meaning from text alone sometimes, especially when you don't "know" someone well. It's one of the greatest complaints of instant messenger programs in fact.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostSame thing. You don't like someone, not because of his crimes, but because he happened to be born in Japan.
End of story.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostFor quite a time yes, but still? The United States has no legal "rights" in Japan, its government, it's culture, or even its military. Japan could develop nukes, the US might complain, but that's all it can do/will do.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostYour country, its army, its military leaders signed, and support the BIG issues stated in the Geneva Convention (and the Nuremburg principles) -- including the basic rights of POWs, not to shoot red cross workers, no genocide or summary executions without a trial and so on and so on.
Makes little difference to me, before or after. Quite frankly given my former MOS, whether they were armed or not had almost no impact on their ability to even defend themselves in most cases.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostI never said war wasn't hell, and I already stated, I understand the concept of collateral damage. I think we WERE the good guys, despite firebombing Hamburg.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostYour viewpoints are fringe, maybe you don't realize that.
I refuse to play the PC game, thinking one thing, and publically stating another.
The enemy is the enemy, black is black, and women in the military is a stupid idea. Oh...and Islam is not a religion of peace.
Originally posted by Goatboy View PostThe vast majority of Americans, and I'm willing to bet at least 90% (and all of them publically) of politicians in higher public office stand behind the basic concepts put forth in the Geneva convention.
It is a dog eat dog world, even among ourselves, and that despite the politically approved commentary you get on your nightly news.
As far as what politicians support, they support whatever gets them re-elected. If they don't, then they're not politicians for very long.
It's a jungle out there cuz, best to play by the rules.
THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RULES OF THE JUNGLE:
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Hey there are plenty of free uncensored Iraq/Afghan war videos on the net, body parts and mush everywhere and I've yet to see a single afraid US or Brit soldier..
On the contrary, I see them laughing and joking all the time even when under fire, revelling in the macho environment.
Hell they even compliment an Iraqi sniper in one vid - "Hey this guys good ha ha ha" calls out one grunt as bullets ping off his APC..
Wait I feel one of my little tales coming on! -
"Dad", said the young boy, "when i grow up i want to join the military!"
"That's great son!" replies dad, "and what do you want to be, a fighter pilot duelling it out high in the sky, or a bomber pilot taking out whole towns with the push of a button? Or a sailor bombarding the shore from a battleship? Or a tankman fighting great tank battles?"
"None of them dad" replied his son, "i want to be an infantryman so's i can meet the enemy close up face to face.."
"It could get rough" says Dad..
"Yes I know" replies junior, "but if I die, I can't think of a better place for a man to die than in a combat zone"
"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which human beings can indulge" - Gen George Patton
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