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  • Tropical?

    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    That must have been a hell of a picnic.
    Each and every one a tropical paradise. T
    Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
    (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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    • Originally posted by sappersgt View Post
      I on the other hand DO know how to kick Angolan.....

      Hey my cellmate in Leicester prison in 2002 was a young Angolan dood who told me as a kid his class had to put up with bullets coming through the classroom window.
      No wonder he emigrated to Britain..

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      • Every meal a banquet, every formation a parade!

        LOL...

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          Like hell I'm going to believe you can do better than Bradley.

          There you go again popping off at poor old Mick (sniffle)..
          The fact remains, Monty offered Ike the full range of specialised Brit beach-assault tanks, Ike said "We'll take all you can give us", but Bradley overuled him on the grounds that it'd take too long to train up American crews to handle them.
          However he did take some DD swimmers, nearly all of which sank because they were launched in the wrong place..
          So the G.I's hit Omaha without armour support..
          In Bradley's shoes I'd have said to Monty "Yeah buddy, we'll take all the specials you can give us"

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart's_Funnies

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          • Advisors

            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            I thought you also tangled with Soviet and Chinese advisors.
            Mostly Cubans, some Russian uniforms and a couple of Chinese captured in Zambia. Dealing with them was way over my paygrade.
            Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
            (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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            • m21,

              Did i say anything about killing any 21 year old Japanese college students today? Well?
              oh sure you have, you ladykiller you.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • War and peace

                Originally posted by Mick in England View Post
                Hey my cellmate in Leicester prison in 2002 was a young Angolan dood who told me as a kid his class had to put up with bullets coming through the classroom window.
                No wonder he emigrated to Britain..
                He not the only one. The war made many leave. The peace is better.

                We captured a Botswanan Lieutenant in Namibia. During long conversations we found as soldiers we all had more in common with him (the enemy) than the civilians we were fighting for. We made sure he went to a military prison instead of turning him over to the security service (a death sentence).

                He wrote to us from prison. We put him in touch with a sponsor in the US and when he was released he immigrated to Kansas City.

                I visited him while I was on leave from El Salvador. Showing up unannounced in the blackest part of Kansas City in my South African Sturmpioneer uniform was quite an adventure!
                Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
                (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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                • Originally posted by Mick in England View Post
                  There you go again popping off at poor old Mick (sniffle)..
                  The fact remains, Monty offered Ike the full range of specialised Brit beach-assault tanks, Ike said "We'll take all you can give us", but Bradley overuled him on the grounds that it'd take too long to train up American crews to handle them.
                  I agree 100% with you that Bradley should have taken the tanks. He screwed up. There is no doubt about that. However, it was not a show stopper. He planned his assualt without the tanks. He trained without them. He had confidence without them. And most importantly, he did his job without them.

                  You can't do that. I can't do that. And certainly no pedaphile jail bait from Kansas nor any English Dominmatrix with an umbrella can do that.

                  Had Bradley properly used his tanks, he might have achieved a sooner breakthrough and reduced casualties but then again, the same can be said if Monty took a more aggressive stance.

                  Bradley, however, does have a point. British tanks were stuck on the beaches at Dieppe.

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                  • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Bradley, however, does have a point. British tanks were stuck on the beaches at Dieppe.
                    Oh please, what would you know about Canadia....uh-oh.

                    um..nevermind
                    “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                    • Dieppe was just a "trial landing" to test Jerry defences and gain valuable invasion experience for D-Day.
                      As a result, special armour landed with the Brits at Gold Juno Sword and performed excellently.
                      But the armourless Americans had a much rougher time at Omaha..

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                      • Originally posted by sappersgt View Post
                        I visited him while I was on leave from El Salvador. Showing up unannounced in the blackest part of Kansas City in my South African Sturmpioneer uniform was quite an adventure!
                        LOL...my how i can relate.

                        Originally posted by astralis View Post
                        m21,
                        oh sure you have, you ladykiller you.
                        <-----whistling innocently while looking down at the floor.

                        Hehehehehe.

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                        • Originally posted by Mick in England View Post
                          Dieppe was just a "trial landing" to test Jerry defences and gain valuable invasion experience for D-Day.
                          I see you've read Monbattan's excuses. Now, here's someone that pedaphile jailbait from Kansas and the English dominmatrix can do better.

                          Originally posted by Mick in England View Post
                          As a result, special armour landed with the Brits at Gold Juno Sword and performed excellently.
                          After that freaking disaster? I should hope so.

                          Originally posted by Mick in England View Post
                          But the armourless Americans had a much rougher time at Omaha..
                          Rougher but not impossible.

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                          • Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            The only thing you know about war is what you see on Tee-Vee.
                            And read in books, and studied at university. I'm talking about POWs here, and the concept of justice, not battle tactics.


                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            His mistake was biting off more than he could chew. And that extends far beyond the Ukraine.
                            An even bigger mistake yes I agree. But nontheless I think both of us agree that Hitler's policy emboldened resistence to Nazi occupiers.

                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            Well i see morbid military humor is beyond your comprehension. I guess they don't cover that on Tee Vee?
                            Hard to decipher inner meaning from text alone sometimes, especially when you don't "know" someone well. It's one of the greatest complaints of instant messenger programs in fact.


                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            Nope, not ethnic group, but rather a nationality.
                            Same thing. You don't like someone, not because of any crimes he might have committed, but because he happened to be born in Japan. He's just as human regardless of where he was born.


                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            Japan has been a Vassal, not an ally. And a conquered vassal, at that.
                            For quite a time yes, but still? The United States has no legal "rights" in Japan, its government, it's culture, or even its military. Japan could develop nukes, the US might complain, but that's all it can do/will do.

                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            I never signed the geneva accords(nor would i). And know what, the US is not a signatory to most of them either. We merely practice them because it's the PC thing to do in today's political climate.
                            Your country, its army, its military leaders signed, and support the BIG issues stated in the Geneva Convention (and the Nuremburg principles) -- including the basic rights of POWs, not to shoot red cross workers, no genocide or summary executions without a trial and so on and so on.



                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            Just because we were "right" in WWII(or other times) does not mean we were "good".
                            I never said war wasn't hell, and I already stated, I understand the concept of collateral damage. I think we WERE the good guys, despite firebombing Hamburg.


                            Originally posted by M21Sniper View Post
                            You are simply deluding yourself into assigning us some high and mighty role of global righteousness. The fact is, the US is looking out for #1....us, and is only 'nice' when it suits us.
                            Your viewpoints are fringe, maybe you don't realize that. The vast majority of Americans, and I'm willing to bet at least 90% (and all of them publically) of politicians in higher public office stand behind the basic concepts put forth in the Geneva convention.
                            Last edited by Goatboy; 17 Oct 06,, 00:18.

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                            • Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              And read in books, and studied at university. I'm talking about POWs here, and the concept of justice, not battle tactics.
                              I wasnt talking about battle tactics.

                              I was talking about the first hand reality of war that hits you in the face like a sledge hammer like, for example, the first time you smell something sweet and one of your buddies points out it's the smell of burning human flesh.

                              Brings home the truth about war real fast, and you dont get that same lesson in books or TV.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              An even bigger mistake yes I agree. But nontheless I think both of us agree that Hitler's policy emboldened resistence to Nazi occupiers.
                              The time to execute(or insert whatever term you prefer) the civilian populace is BEFORE you occupy it. That much i agree with, for sure.

                              Such endeavours are the domain of the Air Force and the Field artillery...

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              Hard to decipher inner meaning from text alone sometimes, especially when you don't "know" someone well. It's one of the greatest complaints of instant messenger programs in fact.
                              True enough.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              Same thing. You don't like someone, not because of his crimes, but because he happened to be born in Japan.
                              If im at war with japan all japanese dwelling in japan and not actively opposing or working against their gov't are my enemies. Even the sexy chicks that work in the seamstress mills sewing the IJA's uniforms.

                              End of story.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              For quite a time yes, but still? The United States has no legal "rights" in Japan, its government, it's culture, or even its military. Japan could develop nukes, the US might complain, but that's all it can do/will do.
                              I doubt we'd even complain....


                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              Your country, its army, its military leaders signed, and support the BIG issues stated in the Geneva Convention (and the Nuremburg principles) -- including the basic rights of POWs, not to shoot red cross workers, no genocide or summary executions without a trial and so on and so on.
                              That has nothing to do with me. I didnt sign any of them, and no one asked my opinion. If the orders are to take prisoners, id take prisoners, cause i was a soldier, and soldiers follow orders. If the orders are to shoot the enemy before they become prisoners, id gladly comply with that too.

                              Makes little difference to me, before or after. Quite frankly given my former MOS, whether they were armed or not had almost no impact on their ability to even defend themselves in most cases.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              I never said war wasn't hell, and I already stated, I understand the concept of collateral damage. I think we WERE the good guys, despite firebombing Hamburg.
                              The only reason we're the "Good guys" is because we won. There was nothing "Good" about our actions. Effective, yes. Good? No.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              Your viewpoints are fringe, maybe you don't realize that.
                              So are Americans that call "African Americans" blacks fringe elements nowadays.

                              I refuse to play the PC game, thinking one thing, and publically stating another.

                              The enemy is the enemy, black is black, and women in the military is a stupid idea. Oh...and Islam is not a religion of peace.

                              Originally posted by Goatboy View Post
                              The vast majority of Americans, and I'm willing to bet at least 90% (and all of them publically) of politicians in higher public office stand behind the basic concepts put forth in the Geneva convention.
                              No they dont. One look at the daily occurances in any american inner city would dispel that myth REAL quick.

                              It is a dog eat dog world, even among ourselves, and that despite the politically approved commentary you get on your nightly news.

                              As far as what politicians support, they support whatever gets them re-elected. If they don't, then they're not politicians for very long.

                              It's a jungle out there cuz, best to play by the rules.

                              THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RULES OF THE JUNGLE:




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                              Last edited by Bill; 17 Oct 06,, 00:32.

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                              • Hey there are plenty of free uncensored Iraq/Afghan war videos on the net, body parts and mush everywhere and I've yet to see a single afraid US or Brit soldier..
                                On the contrary, I see them laughing and joking all the time even when under fire, revelling in the macho environment.
                                Hell they even compliment an Iraqi sniper in one vid - "Hey this guys good ha ha ha" calls out one grunt as bullets ping off his APC..

                                Wait I feel one of my little tales coming on! -

                                "Dad", said the young boy, "when i grow up i want to join the military!"
                                "That's great son!" replies dad, "and what do you want to be, a fighter pilot duelling it out high in the sky, or a bomber pilot taking out whole towns with the push of a button? Or a sailor bombarding the shore from a battleship? Or a tankman fighting great tank battles?"
                                "None of them dad" replied his son, "i want to be an infantryman so's i can meet the enemy close up face to face.."
                                "It could get rough" says Dad..
                                "Yes I know" replies junior, "but if I die, I can't think of a better place for a man to die than in a combat zone"

                                "Battle is the most magnificent competition in which human beings can indulge" - Gen George Patton

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