What if: Western Allies vs Russia- 1945

[Prosto ILya]

Just answer me this comrade...

Oh, mr. Sharpshoter do not call me that. I am not you comrade, and never will be.

Do you have any clue whatsoever as to the size and scope of the USN during the end of WWII?

Of course i do not! And that is why with great joy I take this knowledge from Forum visitors.

BTW, ole' Gorby saved the lot of you from utter economic ruin(barely).

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Gorby-Shmorby saved nothing. He crushed what can be easily repaired with his perestroika-crap-reforms. He could use НЭП-experience – but no. He brought our people to hunger and misery.

[Bill]

"Oh, mr. Sharpshoter do not call me that. I am not you comrade, and never will be."

You'd be much better off being my comrade than my enemy.

"Gorby-Shmorby saved nothing. He crushed what can be easily repaired with his perestroika-crap-reforms. He could use НЭП-experience – but no. He brought our people to hunger and misery."

Wow.

Explain to me then comrade why the bread lines existed for 40 years before Comrade Chairman Gorbachev took the reigns of power in the Rodina???

Denial is a terrible thing...though it is very useful in a potential enemy.

Based on your tone and longing for the days of the ill-fated evil empire, i'd say it's pretty fair to say you still qualify as a potential enemy.

[Prosto ILya]

You'd be much better off being my comrade than my enemy.

In quite different future – of course. But not now, unfortunately

Explain to me then comrade why the bread lines existed for 40 years before Comrade Chairman Gorbachev took the reigns of power in the Rodina???

40 years?! Wow!!! You now, right now I called my grandfather and asked, does he remember any breadlines in 1960-1975. He said “no”. And because my grandpa is steel good friend with his brain and sanity, and not real fan of Politburo, I can trust him. True breadlines appeared in times of a late Almost-zombie-Breznev reign and in Gorbachev times of Perestroika. And that is not a crap. But, for example. In USSR it was quite hard if not impossible to get bananas or pineapple.

Denial is a terrible thing...though it is very useful in a potential enemy. :)

Oh, potential enemy! Potential \impotential…
The problem with any potential enemy that sooner or later he is no more potential. O potential too much...

[Bill]

As to the size of the USN at the end of WWII, i was unable to find an order of battle table for 1945, but the USN consisted of a force of literally THOUSANDS of warships, and hundreds of fleet submarines. Hopefully someone else can provide a USN Fleet TO&E for 1945.

After VJ day, the entire weight of the USN could've been exerted against the Soviets if neccesary.

On top of that, the USAAF was at least as big.

The sheer numbers are bewildering, quite frankly.

[Bill]

"In quite different future – of course. But not now, unfortunately"

Do you know something the rest of us don't know???

[Prosto ILya]

Do you know something the rest of us don't know???

Of course!
Quite soon, humanity will have plenty of extremely busy days.
And as any mega-expert and ultra-farseer I can see… Oh!
We have quite a chance to play “Fallout” in reality.

[Blademaster]

Clever but empty. At a certain level history is not relative.

-dale

I thought you would appreciate the subtle joke.

[dalem]

I thought you would appreciate the subtle joke.

Went over my head, sorry. ;)

-dale

[Parihaka]

As to the size of the USN at the end of WWII, i was unable to find an order of battle table for 1945, but the USN consisted of a force of literally THOUSANDS of warships, and hundreds of fleet submarines. Hopefully someone else can provide a USN Fleet TO&E for 1945.

After VJ day, the entire weight of the USN could've been exerted against the Soviets if neccesary.

On top of that, the USAAF was at least as big.

The sheer numbers are bewildering, quite frankly.

Here you go

Type............... 8/14/45*
Battleships.............23
Carriers, Fleet.........28
Carriers, Escort.......71
Cruisers.................72
Destroyers.............377
Frigates................361
Submarines............232
SSBNs - - - - - -
Command Ships - - - - - -
Mine Warfare.........586
Patrol...................1204
Amphibious............2547
Auxiliary................1267
Surface Warships....833
Total Active...........6768

source and full data

[Bill]

Thanx Parihaka.

I figured someone here would have the info.

Dats a lotta boats. ;)

[Bill]

"Of course!
Quite soon, humanity will have plenty of extremely busy days.
And as any mega-expert and ultra-farseer I can see… Oh!
We have quite a chance to play “Fallout” in reality."

Ahhhh......

[Prosto ILya]

I figured someone here would have the info.

Ага!!

Ahhhh......

Vault Tec and Power Armor - best friends of humanity

[Bill]

Just looking at the stats for the USN in 45 again, the carrier total seems a bit low.

I thought we had a lot more jeep carriers than that.

Hmmm.

[Parihaka]

Just looking at the stats for the USN in 45 again, the carrier total seems a bit low.

I thought we had a lot more jeep carriers than that.

Hmmm.

I could've looked for more sources but these guys seemed pretty reputable to me :)

[scotsboyuk]

Has Operation Unthinkable been mentioned yet?