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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    I completely agree that MacArthur was responsible for the PI debacle.
    He was also ultimately responsible for his air power being destroyed on the ground.
    However, I have to say, for example, that the entire USAAF contingent on the PI was not exactly screaming bloody murder for their aircraft to be dispersed.
    Actually, the Army Air Force was aware of the vulnerablility of Clarke and other airfields, but got no answer to their requests for improvements. Likewise, the RAF pointed out this problem.

    Seven hours before the Japanese attack, General Brereton requested permission to launch an air attack on Japanese forces in Formosa. MacArthur said no and informed him that "our role is defensive". After additional pleading from Brereton, MacArthur finally changed his mind, but too late, and the aircraft were destroyed on the ground.

    Later, MacArthur again claimed he did not launch his aircraft because his primary role was defensive. But this contradicts the war orders he was given in November to "conduct air raids against Japanese forces and installations within tactical operating radius of available bases". That is why 34 B-17s (half the total US fleet at the time) were in the Philippines in the first place.

    Furthermore, if MacArthur did believe his role should be defensive, why were no air patrols launched? Why were the B-17s not moved to less forward and vulnerable bases?

    In perspective, MacArthur's sins were on a level with Kimmel's, the commander at Pearl Harbor. Unlike Kimmel however, MacArthur had advanced warning and his post, the Philippines, was an expected target of Japanese attack. Kimmel was removed from command after investigations into what went wrong at Pearl. The Philippines debacle was never investigated.
    Also, it is rather hard to train an army when there is no money, equipment, weapons or ammunition available.
    MacArthur tried to obtain these things and was denied time and time again.
    He did get some good assets, such as the B-17s, but what about AA guns to defend their airfield? Why was there not slit trenches and air-raid shelters dug at the airfields? Yes, MacArthur could have and should have ordered it. But did the air corps need to have their hand held to do such things? Was initiative that lacking?
    It is true that US doctrine had long declared the Philippines indefensible and no resources were allocated for defending them. This attitude changed in early 1941, due to a new-found (and misplaced) confidence in long range bombers such as the B-17. This was why MacArthur was given the task of making the Philippines defensible- so the islands could be used as a forward base for long range bombing. MacArthur gave assurances to everyone that he could repell an attack. If he felt he did not have resources adequate for the job, it was his responsibility to say so.
    I'm not trying to be an apologist for a man that has been dead for many decades, but I do think that most people don't really have all the facts.
    Once again, I recommend American Ceasar to anyone wanting to get another opinion. It's hardly biased in MacArthur's favor either, which is one of the prime reasons I recommend it.
    As you can tell, MacArthur is not exactly my favorite WWII general. Roosevelt kept MacArthur in highly visible, but not critical, posts for political reasons. Roosevelt felt he could enlist more war support from the Hoover branch of the Republican party by employing one of their heros.

    Great post by the way Broken, this is a very stimulating thread.
    Thanks, your posts are good as well. I have been reading quite a few books lately on US strategy in WWII, but I will check into American Ceasar. You might take a look at the book I recommended above, Commander in Chief. Good sketches of all the top US military commanders, including Marshall, King, Eisenhower, Arnold, Vandegrift, Nimitz, Stilwell, Lamay and MacArthur. I have some small gripes here and there, but overall it is very insightful and a fast read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken
    Actually, the Army Air Force was aware of the vulnerablility of Clarke and other airfields, but got no answer to their requests for improvements. Likewise, the RAF pointed out this problem.

    Seven hours before the Japanese attack, General Brereton requested permission to launch an air attack on Japanese forces in Formosa. MacArthur said no and informed him that "our role is defensive". After additional pleading from Brereton, MacArthur finally changed his mind, but too late, and the aircraft were destroyed on the ground.
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    Manchester points out that after Pearl Harbor, MacArthur seemed to be paralyzed into inaction before finally snapping out of it and firmly taking the reins of command. By then of course, it was too late and his air force was nothing but wreckage.
    I'm wondering about the whole slit trench situation.
    Is it that difficult to dig them? Was manpower that scarce? Did they need MacArthur's permission to dig them?
    Not that it would have mattered all that much, because except for saving the ground crews that perished out in the open, you don't beat off an air attack with slit trenches.

    Another great book by Manchester I'd recommend is The Arms of Krupp.

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    US Grant, no mean general himself, said "a generals success is an answer to all critisizms." Old Mac's accomplishments speak for themselves.

    Grant made many mistakes, (Vicksburg, Cold Harbor) howver in each cae his eventual success is an answer to his detractors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amled
    Exactly the kind of comments I’ve had from others when I’ve asked this question. Including a retired serviceman I met in S.C. a few years ago. His comments rivaled Snipers, but being a former Marine Gunnery Sgt. who went through the Pacific Campaign during WWII under MacArthur, I took his comments with a grain of salt.
    Yet if these comments are standard, what was his secret of success?
    PR together with his undoubted charisma?
    At the time the US needed a "hero" and even though I believe MacArthur should have been made to answer for being caught unawares by the Japanese attack even with a 12-hour warning and made to answer for it like Kimmel and Short, Roosevelt considered MacArthur more dangerous to him in the US than overseas. So Roosevelt (a master manipulator of people), had MacArthur leave Corregidor, gave him the Medal of Honor for being in charge of a debacle and put him in charge of the Southwest Pacific knowing that if he had to be could probably have ruined MacArthur by disclosing the $500,000 "gift" the Philipine president gave to MacArthur just after the war began.

    One book I read had this to say about MacArthur:
    "... despite his undoubted qualities of leadership, he was unsuited by temperament, character and judgment for the position of high command which he occupied throughout the war. This was clearly demonstrated in the Philippine debacle and the bloddy campaigns in Papua. Both were attributable - at least in part - to MacArthur's errors in judgement and his refusal to face reality. He demonstrated these failings in success as well as in adversity, as witness his mismanagement of the northern Luzon campaign near the end of the war.

    Other commanders, of course, made serious errors of judgement in the war ... [but none seeked], as MacArthur consistently did, to pass blame to subordinates, the Allies or Washington."

    Quote from: Eagle Against the Sun: The American War with Japan by Ronald H. Spector, page xiv-xv.

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    Sh*t. Seems like I'm the one in here that likes and admires the big Mac.

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    "Douglas MacArthur starring Douglas MacArthur" FDR.
    his island hoping strategy was brilliant though.

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    Most older Australians hold him in contempt!


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    Was island hopping attributed to Mac or Nimitz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple C View Post
    Was island hopping attributed to Mac or Nimitz?
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    Both. Do recall that Nimitz wanted to bypass the Philippines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Both. Do recall that Nimitz wanted to bypass the Philippines.
    Nimitz commanded the northern fleet. Mac the south. he was insistent on going to the PI. and he alone came up with island hoping as the fastest way back. Nimitz did want to bypass the the PI. your right there. he wanted a direct sail to Japan. but Mac got permission from FDR to go back to the PI.

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    was there any real viable alternative to island-hopping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    was there any real viable alternative to island-hopping?
    not that i know. you???? island hoping was designed NOT to attack japanese strong holds but bypass them them a cut off their supplies. let em starve.

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    In which case, the credit would have to goto Nimitz and not Mac. Nimitz instituted with USN subs to what Donitz wanted for the Atlantic. Mac had asbolutley no clue as to what a U-boat was, let alone a U-boat campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    In which case, the credit would have to goto Nimitz and not Mac. Nimitz instituted with USN subs to what Donitz wanted for the Atlantic. Mac had asbolutley no clue as to what a U-boat was, let alone a U-boat campaign.
    afraid im not following you here. what do subs have to do with either or the island hoping campaign????
    the confusion here is island hoping and island bypassing. Nimitz hit each isand in his way and Mac bypassed around his. so Nimitz hit them head on and Mac went around them. so bypassing was credit to Mac only. I can see the confusion

    once again what does Donitz Uboats have to do with this????

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