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Give us a little background at least, explain why, some facts, an article, his first name and rank, something...
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What about the Spartan commander at Thermopylae? Seems like a movie was just made that gave him a pretty good statistical record.
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Without defined criteria it is a trifle hard to establish what a 'good' defensive commander is (or was).
For my 2 cents I'll throw in de Lattre de Tassigny in the first Indochina War for his brilliant defence of the Red River Delta and Le Minh Dao for his defence of Xuan Loc in the dying days of the 2nd Indochina War. I'm sure there are plenty of others at least as well qualified.
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Although if we have to pick just one man, and award just one crown based on earth shattering importance to the future of humanity. I think the award must go to either Grant, Alexander I or Arthur Wellesley for his escapades in Spain and Portugual. |
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Well the replies put your comment where it belongs.. There is something in my eye.
Read the WAB? I WRITE wabs. Or cannot you understand what overclocking a westinghouse LWR is. [naval thread] Do you know what an LWR is? Nimitz has 2 ,. yes 2.. and not in the rec room. They make the ship go forward... Even jarhead should get that. professional what.. jarhead?Get a grip on your pucker factor marine...As they say this is the USN, there are no WRONG HOLES My profession is a consulting stochastic statistician. As you will need google to find out what that is.. Who is the turkey in sgt yorks sights? I can say this because if i HAD of gone to duntroon.. [not if, i already passed the grades] I would now be at least a bird colonel or higher. Just for data/intel work alone You know it , i know it. But i went civ and now am worth several mil... thats life Boaz wow that was a good bitch session even for me Last edited by Joachim Boaz; 12-18-2009 at 06:10 AM.. |
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Why you think i post such an outrageous comment... To get replies. To get exactly the sort of unbiased reply you have given. This is called intelligent people talking. Tho i question the kursk refference. The soviets knew the german battleplan better tan the germans..lol All the 'scholars' will tip back in their nice chairs.. the soldiers will think, Heinrici blunted several huge soviet attacks at the seelow heights. Outnumbered 15-1 in tanks and nearly as tragic in other arms.. he held.. no panic... THAT is what i speak of. Boaz Heres a good one Monty won at el alamein with only 6-1 superiority in numbers. Befits his skill... I agree [to a point,, lol you cant pin me down. im a slippery MF'r] Last edited by Joachim Boaz; 12-18-2009 at 05:24 AM.. |
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From wiki On 16 April, the first stage of the Battle of Berlin, the Battle of the Oder-Neisse, began. Combined, the Soviets attacked with over 1,500,000 men for what they called the "Berlin Offensive Operation". In the early morning of 18 April, Zhukov's front crossed the Oder and assaulted Heinrici's positions on the western bank. Simultaneously, Konev's front attacked Field Marshal Ferdinand Schörner's Army Group Center further south. By 19 April, the Soviets had broken through and the Battle of the Oder-Neisse was over. Now began the second stage of the Battle of Berlin, the battle for the city itself. Sounds like a big failure those few days in april cost the soviets Um die bevorstehende Offensive der Sowjets direkt abfangen zu können, fehlten Heinrici die Möglichkeiten. Also nahm er seine Truppen in der Nacht vor dem (richtig) angenommenen Angriffsbeginn eigenmächtig zurück und gab die vordersten Frontstellungen auf. Als am Morgen des 16.04.45 über 20.000(!) russische Geschütze aller Kaliber diese Stellungen mit mörderischem Trommelfeuer belegten, verloren die deutschen Truppen keinen Mann - die nachfolgenden sowjetischen Infanterieverbände stießen ins Leere und gerieten entlang der neu aufgebauten Verteidigungsstellungen auf den Seelower Höhen in verlustreiches Abwehrfeuer! Erst nach drei Tagen konnten sie Heinricis Truppen von den Höhen vertreiben und die Offensive gegen Berlin beginnen. Wenig später brach die Rote Armee bei Eberswalde bzw. Fürstenwalde durch die Linien der sich tapfer wehrenden 9. Armee und begann mit der Einkesselung der Reichshauptstadt. Die Angriffskeile trafen sich westlich von Berlin - im Kessel standen etwa 100.000 Mann unter Schwerterträger General der Artillerie Weidling. And over 500 tanks The~of 2 entire tank divisions lost to At placement under sighted fire of 10000 artillery pieces, This was the true day of the 88. They took soviet armor like cherries at 2000+ meters.. near as good as abrams in iraq. with nothing but optics. His real skill was the quiet confidence of the engineer.. All saw he would in these last days as everyone knew they were. Bring woe appon the enemy with minimised casualties to the defenders. Superlatve in elastic defence. The soviets bled hard facing a foe 25% there size... Boaz Last edited by Joachim Boaz; 12-18-2009 at 06:45 AM.. |
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Just offering a little advice on how to be a member in good standing on the WAB (World Affairs Board). By reading your reaction, I see you decided not to take it. Doubt you will be around long. |
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You claim you would have made bird colonel based off of your analysis work. Excuse me but I am not following you. First is of course telling Gun Grape off, there were several clues in his post and you missed all of them. Secondly is your blind assertion about Heinrici, again several clues and you missed all of them. Gun Grape, has blue military professional on his name, high post count, long standing member, said go read the WAB survival guide. Now there might be other things called wabs, but W (world) A (affairs) B (board) survival guide seems to be the top contender here on this site. You didn't cue on any of it. Now on to your pet general,Heinrici failed, he had no measurable impact on the war and could not keep the Soviets out of Berlin. At the end of the day the judgment must be based on success. For example, Kesselring completely borked Churchill's plans and so we can say he had an impact on the course of the war. Other commanders changed the course of history for the entire planet. Winning a single battles numbers but losing the objective does not a great commander make. I listed several great captains including those who I think are the best. yet they apparently didn't enter into your consideration and should have for obvious reasons. Your not off to a good start. |
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