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    Martin B-26 Marauder torpedo attacks?

    Evening gents

    I was having fun the other day watching my eldest son playing his Play Station 2
    He was playing a game called ‘Heroes of the Pacific’.
    We had a great father to son conversation about the different types of aircraft and roles of the aircraft depicted in the game, which ranged from the likes of the Dauntless, Avenger, Wildcat, Warhawk, Corsair, Hellcat, Bearcat, Zero Sen, Shiden, Tony, Raiden, Betty, Mitchell, and the Marauder – and for some strange reason, I had some trouble explaining – the Messerschmitt Me-262 in the Pacific?

    What got my attention though is when David (my son) began to carry out torpedo attacks against a Japanese aircraft carrier fleet!

    Now I know that the USAAC specification, for what was to become the Martin B-26 Marauder stipulated the ability to carry and deliver torpedoes!

    My question to the forum members is this:
    ‘During WWII was the B-26 Marauder ever used in any torpedo attack mission against any Axis shipping?
    If so does anyone have details in the form of target, dates, and their success………etc?

    Thanks in advance

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    A second Group, the 38th Bombardment Group was planned to be sent to the South-West Pacific later in the year, to be equipped with B-26Bs fitted with more auxiliary fuel tanks and provisions for carrying aerial torpedos.[10] Four of these aircraft were deployed to Midway Island in the build-up the Battle of Midway, and carried out torpedo attack against the Japanese Fleet on 4 June 1942. Two B-26s were shot down with the remaining two badly damaged, while their torpedoes failed to hit any Japanese ships, although they did shoot down one A6M Zero fighter, and killed two seamen aboard the Aircraft carrier Akagi with machine gun fire.[10][13]
    from wikipedia
    uh I might be wrong


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    and for some strange reason, I had some trouble explaining – the Messerschmitt Me-262 in the Pacific?
    Not quite as bizarre as it might seem. Nakajima Ki-201 Karyu and Nakajima J9Y



    Although it should be noted that the Japanese twin-jet engine fighters and the Me-262 were similar only in general appearance for the most part.

    My question to the forum members is this:
    ‘During WWII was the B-26 Marauder ever used in any torpedo attack mission against any Axis shipping?
    If so does anyone have details in the form of target, dates, and their success………etc?
    Not only the Marauder but also the PBY Catalina were jury-rigged with torpedoes and sent off to attack the Japanese 'Midway Occupation Force'.

    Despite the crews being already exhausted, attacking at night and with zero prior experience with dropping torpedoes, they still managed to put a fish into the oiler Akebono Maru,

    Unfortunately though she was able to shrug off the damage and continue with the task force. (Wiki's entry says she was sunk )

    As far as I know, neither the B-26 nor the PBY dropped torpedoes again.
    Midway was very much an emergency situation and the island's air group bizarrely mismatched composition and improvised roles were clearly indicative of this.


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    Some more information...

    The Midway Island air group was a real grab-bag, consisted of Marine fighters and divebombers, Navy torpedo planes and flying boats and Army Air Force heavy and medium bombers.


    32 Consolidated PBY-5 and PBY-5A Catalina
    6 Grumman TBF Avenger

    20 Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo
    7 Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat
    11 Vought SB2U-3 Vindicator
    16 Douglas SBD-2 Dauntless

    19 Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress (augmented further, during the battle)
    4 Martin B-26 Marauder

    Note: The Dauntless and Wildcat aircraft were "carrier castoffs" that were not comparable to the Navy versions. The SBD "Dash Two" especially was inferior to the SBD-3 that the Navy flew.

    Ironically though, the situation was reversed with the handful of Avengers, which were to become the hottest torpedo plane of the war, a far cry from the obsolete Devastator still being flown by the USN carriers at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Not quite as bizarre as it might seem. Nakajima Ki-201 Karyu and Nakajima J9Y



    Although it should be noted that the Japanese twin-jet engine fighters and the Me-262 were similar only in general appearance for the most part.
    The rumor is that a complete Me 262 was smuggled to Japan in '44 aboard a German U-boot, and reverse-engineered for use against US B-29's. Obviously, that never happened and, given the then-current state of Japanese technology, it was highly unlikely that the Japanese would've been able to produce an aircraft comparable to the Me 262, especially in the area of gas-turbine technology (the only country very far along in gas-turbine technology, ironically, was the US, with GE's extensive experience in producing high-temperature turbines).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    (the only country very far along in gas-turbine technology, ironically, was the US, with GE's extensive experience in producing high-temperature turbines).
    Starting all the way back in 1918, I've found out much to my surprise.

    Although in terms of turbojet engine technology for aircraft, Great Britain and Germany were far ahead of the United States during the war..."helped", no doubt, by the prescient US attitude of "why bother?".

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    Thank you gentlemen for your response to my question!

    Now I have to let my son David, who is nine (going on 20-years!!) that his game has some merit and some accuracy to it.
    Who knows I may even have a crack at sinking a carrier with a torpedo toting Marauder!
    Funny enough he just came in to tell me he had unlocked a Russian MiG-3 in the Pacific AO

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    I'll have to dig out my "In Action" book, but I believe RAF Marauders in the Med used torpedos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zad Fnark View Post
    I'll have to dig out my "In Action" book, but I believe RAF Marauders in the Med used torpedos.

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    You're right, they did, apparently with good success as well.

    And USAAF Marauders also made another torpedo attack against the IJN carrier Ryujo on the same day as the 4 Midway-based carriers.

    I stand corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Who knows I may even have a crack at sinking a carrier with a torpedo toting Marauder!
    There comes a bittersweet day in every father's life sir, when he finally defeats his son at his favourite video-game :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Starting all the way back in 1918, I've found out much to my surprise.

    Although in terms of turbojet engine technology for aircraft, Great Britain and Germany were far ahead of the United States during the war..."helped", no doubt, by the prescient US attitude of "why bother?".

    Germany was decades ahead of everybody in aircraft technology in the prewar and war years. If they hadnt been such douchebags we'd all have personal jetpacks and hovering cars by now.
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    Black Cats - U.S. Navy fighting PBY Catalinas in the Pacific during WWII

    Also, the Black Cat PBYs operated using torpedo attacks all through out the Souht and Southwest Pacific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    Black Cats - U.S. Navy fighting PBY Catalinas in the Pacific during WWII

    Also, the Black Cat PBYs operated using torpedo attacks all through out the Souht and Southwest Pacific.
    Sure about that?
    The only reference I've been able to find to PBY torpedo attacks was at Midway.

    Edit: I've also found vague references to the Black Cats making attacks but nothing specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Thank you gentlemen for your response to my question!

    Now I have to let my son David, who is nine (going on 20-years!!) that his game has some merit and some accuracy to it.
    Who knows I may even have a crack at sinking a carrier with a torpedo toting Marauder!
    Funny enough he just came in to tell me he had unlocked a Russian MiG-3 in the Pacific AO

    Regards
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    If he likes the more exotic torpedo bomber types he could try using a Vickers Wellington
    They were used with success in the night torpedo role in the MTO
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