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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumrunner View Post
    Germany was decades ahead of everybody in aircraft technology in the prewar and war years. If they hadnt been such douchebags we'd all have personal jetpacks and hovering cars by now.
    Not true. the rushed introduction of the Me 262 and a couple of even more unsuccessful advanced aircraft (Me 163), which would have never have seen service with Allied units due to their shortcomings, gives a false impression. British and US aviation technology was neck and neck with German technology for most the war, in fact in a number of areas it was far ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Sure about that?
    The only reference I've been able to find to PBY torpedo attacks was at Midway.

    Edit: I've also found vague references to the Black Cats making attacks but nothing specific.


    From the book which the website is based on.

    History article #5: Black Cat PBYs

    The story of Jack Cram's Dumbo

    Jack Cram's PBY story

    And VP-11

    Torpedo Run
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    From the book which the website is based on.

    History article #5: Black Cat PBYs

    The story of Jack Cram's Dumbo

    Jack Cram's PBY story

    And VP-11

    Torpedo Run
    Ah excellent. Excuse me while I find a nice helping of crow to eat )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumrunner View Post
    Germany was decades ahead of everybody in aircraft technology in the prewar and war years. If they hadnt been such douchebags we'd all have personal jetpacks and hovering cars by now.
    No they were not, not even close. There was not a single area where they lead in 1941. In some areas the UK and Germany were tied, in others the US/UK were tied or one of them lead. In some races (like heavy bomber) the Germans were not even in the race.

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    Redco, Zraver -


    I disagree. The ME262 was full of teething problems, and due mostly to the desperate position of Germany late in the war it was put into frontline service. The UK's Gloster Meteor, though a success in its own right, was only superior in it's range when compared to the ME262's performance, and it never really crossed the channel. The US's P-80 never left Edwards.

    Postwar, much more of what went into the ME262 was repeated in more modern fighters, particularly the swept wing design.

    They also developed one of the first operational helo's (albeit in verrrry small numbers) in the Fa 223 and the FW 61.
    Focke Achgelis Fa 223 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Focke-Wulf Fw 61 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Then there's the aspect of advanced rocketry and guided munitions, like the V1, V2, FritzX and Ruhrstahl X-4 . There's a reason Wernher von Braun and his cohorts were absconded away to the US postwar.
    You know JJ, Him could do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Ah excellent. Excuse me while I find a nice helping of crow to eat )
    Try a nice Pinot Noir with that....I speak from experience!

    The reason I am aware of the Black Cats is my Mom's cousin served in VP-11 for awhile in 42-43. He later made PO 1Class and helped form a new squadron, VPB-119 flying PB4Y-2 Privateers. He was KIA in July 1945 when his aircraft was shot down raiding Haiphong.

    The AMVETS John P. McKeon Post in Dorchester, MA is named for him,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    Try a nice Pinot Noir with that....I speak from experience!
    Thanks but I'll stick with my Captain Morgan

    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    He later made PO 1Class and helped form a new squadron, VPB-119 flying PB4Y-2 Privateers. He was KIA in July 1945 when his aircraft was shot down raiding Haiphong.

    The AMVETS John P. McKeon Post in Dorchester, MA is named for him,.
    Very nice I actually got a see a Privateer up and close and personal twice in the last couple of months (although it was the same aircraft)

    Here it is:
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    Very cool.

    I always thought it was a badass looking aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumrunner View Post
    Redco, Zraver -
    I disagree. The ME262 was full of teething problems, and due mostly to the desperate position of Germany late in the war it was put into frontline service. The UK's Gloster Meteor, though a success in its own right, was only superior in it's range when compared to the ME262's performance, and it never really crossed the channel. The US's P-80 never left Edwards.
    Rum, all three aircrafts were prototypes. The Germans were the only ones desperate enough to fly them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumrunner View Post
    Then there's the aspect of advanced rocketry and guided munitions, like the V1, V2, FritzX and Ruhrstahl X-4 . There's a reason Wernher von Braun and his cohorts were absconded away to the US postwar.
    And he told his US interrogators that they should be questioning their own Dr. Goddard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple C View Post
    And he told his US interrogators that they should be questioning their own Dr. Goddard.
    Indeed and not only that, he aided Mrs Goddard in her fight with the US government over copyright payments when they started using technology from the V2 on their own rockets, some of which was originally invented by Dr Goddard
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    The American intelligence officers and nuclear physicists, after interrogating the German A-bomb team, concluded that their opposite number was no closer to building a operational bomb in 1945 than America was in 1940, before the US Gov't started large scale R&R on the project. In atomic weapons the Germans were completely outpaced by the Allies.

    I am no aviation expert myself, but what I have been told is that the P-80A that failed to go operational before V-E day would have slaughtered the Me-262, and the same was true for the Meteor.
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