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Reply With QuoteI believe the primary target was Koyoto?? ...but cloud cover saved it.Originally Posted by texacali
Raico needs to stick to European classical liberalism.......
Leave military history to people who know something about it, since he clearly doesn't!
I believe the primary target was Koyoto?? ...but cloud cover saved it.
Cheers!...on the rocks!!
Does this mean the U/K will get it for Bliar ( besides the crap we,re getting now)
TANKIE. ECO WARRIOR , SAVE THE TREES
No way, in my opinion, only if you worship and are willing to die for Blair as well as think everything he says is final and the only way.Does this mean the U/K will get it for Bliar ( besides the crap we,re getting now)
Of course what you guys get for Blair is rather unfair since you don't fit the description I said.
Those who can't change become extinct.
You will note that part about Truman was a quote. It never came from my lips.
Yamamoto was indeed a war criminal and the USN rejoiced at his being blown out of the sky and plumeting to earth VIA p-38'S. He was not half as smart as his people thought he was and this has been written about time and time again on both sides of the story.
"Pop goes the weasel"
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Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Kyoto was initially considered to be an ideal target because it has lot of wooden buildings but was removed from the target list because its culture and architecture significances.
I visited Kyoto before. It is a beautiful Japanese ancient city. Its main streets are similar to that of Chang'an in Tang dynasty (Xi'an today), which are laid in the directions of north to south and west to east.
Hiroshima had seaport and a military base there at that time, which made it an ideal target.
In the “Little Boy” mission, the Hiroshima was the primary target and Kokura was the backup target. In the “Fat Man” mission, the Kokura was the primary target and Nagasaki was the backup target. The cloud saved Kokura.
Kokura was on the atomic bomb target list twice in the actual operations and escaped. It was really a luck city.
I am here for exchanging opinions.
Not trying to make apologies for Yamamoto, but didn't he argue with Tojo's war cabinet that he could offer some quick victories but in the long run the USA's industrial might would crush them? MacArthur was our asian expert, presumedly familiar with the samurai code and Japanese history. He was caught by surprise, even though the Japanese had in the past depended on a single strike that would defeat their opponents, the divine wind from their
gods helping. MacArthur went on as military governor of Japan during the occupation and allowed the zaibatsus to remain intact, in spite of the surrender treaty's stipulations, for the very pragmatic reason that the country would fail utterly without an industrial base. He did require that the Japanese cease worship of Hirohito. Whether they did in fact is beyond me.
Japanese naval general staff led by Prince Fushimi in the late 30s and the combined fleet staff (yamamoto) - and in general Japanese navy officeres - were against a war against the UK and USA. That includes figures like the eldery chap Suzuki and the Yonai. To say that Yamamoto is a warcriminal is as ludicrous as saying Moshe Dayan is a warcriminal because of the Israeli suprise attack. (IMHO)
regards
If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon
So noted.
Yamamoto was never charged and never had the opportunity to defend such a charge. Nor, did the allies have the opportunity to develop sufficient evidence against Yamamoto. From the record, Yamamoto did not authorize any war crimes. He may, or may not have known about maltreatment of POWs. A trial would have allowed the allies to develop that kind of evidence and would have allowed Yamamoto the opportunity to defend against it. The Pearl Harbor attack is a problem for him. His argument on Pearl would be that he intended the attack to take place after a break in relations, not during negotiations. Thus he lacked the mental state needed for conviction of waging a war of aggression. Without a trial, we will never know for certain.Yamamoto was indeed a war criminal
Perhaps you rejoiced. I wasn't there. I was five years old when WWII ended. But, I fought my own wars. I can say as a certainty, there was no rejoicing at the death of any of our enemies. It was a necessity, nothing more, nothing less. As for Yamamoto, I stand by my earlier assesment. He died honorably on the field of battle....the USN rejoiced at his being blown out of the sky and plumeting to earth VIA p-38'S.
Again, I offer no excuses for Japanese behavior on December 7th, but weren't the Japanese diplomatic codes broken before that date? Hasn't it been written that the ambassadors asked for an appointment to present this document of relations and were kept waiting? Indeed those Japanese ambassadors were in the dark regarding the attack, however they were not charged. If the mood in the USA in the winter of 1941 was to keep us out of the war, regardless of Hitler, would FDR's administration let the Japanese give us their best shot? This is long before the atomic age and the doctrine of pre-emptive war. American forces had never struck in fear, only in retaliation.
And what has become of dear Inna? Has a profile or introduction been posted?
But you dont disagree that Yamamoto was indeed the ring leader of the war in the pacific. Therefore the IJN and officers alike answered to him and he inturn answered to Tokyo. He knew quite well what was happening in the pow camps he did not condone it nor attempt to put a stop to it. Yamamto from what has been written was not the perfect Admiral as many would presume. Among many of his plans the Midway attack plan has shown this to be an accurate statement. He thought he was alot smarter then he actually was and he paid for it with his life. IMO from what I have read he was certainly a war criminal.No doubt about it.
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Good question. Well put!
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Federal Reserve waylaid him....
Great...another self-proclaimed intellectual, AKA useful idiot from the European liberal left, trying to teach us about history of warfare.
I swear, the liberals will be the death of western civilization.
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