Merry (Orthodox) Christmas!

[kNikS]

Since there are few Serbs and Russians on this board, as Orthodox Christian, I wish them Merry Christmas!

[lemontree]

Wish you the same...In case some members are wondering why kNikS is wishing Christmas so late - some Russian, Coptics (I think) and another christian sect (don't remember the name) celebrate 6th January as Christmas Day.

[kNikS]

Originally Posted by lemontree

Wish you the same...In case some members are wondering why kNikS is wishing Christmas so late - some Russian, Coptics (I think) and another christian sect (don't remember the name) celebrate 6th January as Christmas Day.

Actually 7th, but anyway thanks.

[sparten]

Its because the Orthdox Church still follows the Julian Calender, right?

[indianguy4u]

Is the orthodox church followed only in ex-communist countries only?

BTW happy Christmas .

[Ray]

The Syrian Orthodox Christians are today known as the Indian Orthodox Christians.

Fr Philip Kuruvilla of my school is the big dad of this Church!

[kNikS]

Originally Posted by sparten

Its because the Orthdox Church still follows the Julian Calender, right?

Right.

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Is the orthodox church followed only in ex-communist countries only?

Wrong. Roughly, it is folowed in eastern Europe.

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

BTW happy Christmas .

Thanks.

[kNikS]

Unfortunately, other people here which should be orthodox christians and celebrate Christmas today are communists or their perception isn't very well.

[Bulgaroctonus]

Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Is the orthodox church followed only in ex-communist countries only?

BTW happy Christmas .

The Eastern Orthodox Church largely follows the European boundaries of the Byzantine Empire. South of the Danube and Dalmatia it is largely Eastern Orthodox. Of course, the huge Russian land area also follows Eastern Orthodoxy.

The Eastern Orthodox Church once held sway over all of the Eastern Mediterranean, during the time when the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire held that area. That era ended with the Arab conquests of the Levant in the 7th century AD. Later, the Seljuk and Ottoman conquests of Asia Minor and the Balkans extinguished much of Christianity in those areas.

[kNikS]

Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus

The Eastern Orthodox Church largely follows the European boundaries of the Byzantine Empire. South of the Danube and Dalmatia it is largely Eastern Orthodox. Of course, the huge Russian land area also follows Eastern Orthodoxy.

The Eastern Orthodox Church once held sway over all of the Eastern Mediterranean, during the time when the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire held that area. That era ended with the Arab conquests of the Levant in the 7th century AD. Later, the Seljuk and Ottoman conquests of Asia Minor and the Balkans extinguished much of Christianity in those areas.

Correct. That is detailed an complete answer. BTW I've seen greek alphabet and it looks like your name, right?

[Ray]

Many of you may not be aware, but there is also the Indian Orthodox.

The Indian Orthodox Church (also known as the Malankara Orthodox Church, Orthodox Church of the East, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Orthodox Syrian Church of the East), is a prominent member of the Oriental Orthodox Church family. The Church traces its origins to St. Thomas the Apostle, who came to India in AD 52, established the Church and suffered martyrdom.

The head of the Indian Orthodox Church is the Catholicos of the East and Malankara Metropolitan whose seat is at Kottayam, Kerala, India. The Church has dioceses and churches in most parts of India as well as in the US, Canada, United Kingdom, Western Europe, Persian Gulf nations, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand. The official title of the head of the Church is the "Catholicos of the East, Catholicos of the Apostolic throne of St. Thomas, and the Malankara Metropolitan". The present Catholicos of the East and Malankara Metropolitan is H.H. Mar Baselios Mar Thoma Didymos I, who was enthroned on October 31, 2005 at Parumala Church by the Holy Synod amidst the Holy Eucharist.

The Church, though modern in its vision and outlook, keeps the traditional Orthodox faith and liturgy. It accepts the first three Ecumenical Synods. The liturgy now in use is the translation of the liturgy adopted from the Antiochian Church in the 17th century. However, the liturgical rites are uniquely Indian. Today the Church uses liturgy in Malayalam, Hindi, and English.

The Indian Orthodox community inherited many aspects of Indian civilization and they are as any other member of any other community in India, in their customs, manners, and life style.

The Church has a Theological Seminary at Kottayam, Kerala, which was established in AD 1815. Another seminary is situated in Nagpur, Maharashtra. The later was established fairly recently in the later part of the 20th century.

The Church takes an active role in various ecumenical activities at national and international levels. It is a member of the World Council of Churches. Famous theologians such as Mar Paulose Gregorious, Mar Geevarghese Osthathios, Rev. Fr.V.C. Samuel, and Rev. Dr. K.M. George, who contributed to the negotiations between the Oriental and Byzantine churches, belong to this church. The Indian Orthodox Church also participated in the Ecumenical Council of Oriental Orthodox Churches held in Addis Ababa, in AD 1965.

The Indian Orthodox Church is distinct from the Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church who is guided by the spiritual leadership of the Patriarch of Antioch, presently H.H. Moran Mor Ignatious Zakka Iwas I. Under the Indian Orthodox Constitution, this patriarch is the church's supreme spiritual head.

History

During the later Old Testament times the Malabarian coast had trade relations with West Asia. These trade routes later enabled Christianity to reach Kerala, a state on the south western coast of India. Tradition states that the Apostle Thomas preached the Gospel to the locals (which included Jewish settlers in Kerala), baptized many, ordained some as bishops and founded seven churches. These churches remain the major Christian centers in Kerala. The Christians of this ancient tradition were and are known as either Nasranis or Syrian Christians.

The Indian Church was related to the Church of the East in the early centuries, and this church sent "East Syrian" bishops to India. The head of the Eastern church was the "Catholicos of the East" in the lineage of Apostle Thomas. In AD 431, the Council of Ephesus condemned the teachings of Nestor, who was the Patriarch of Constantinople. A section of the Church of the East rejected the decisions of the Council of Ephesus and accepted the Nestorian teaching. In AD 544, Pope Theodosius I, the Patriarch of Alexandria, ordained Mar Jacob Baradaeus as a general bishop. In AD 559, Mar Jacob Baradaeus visited the east and consecrated a Catholicos for the non-Chalcedonians who accepted the Council of Ephesus and rejected the Council of Chalcedon.

The Portuguese who colonized India in AD 1498 tried to convert the St. Thomas Christians to Catholicism. By AD 1599 they succeeded in forcibly converting some to the Roman Catholic Church. But in AD 1653, a section of St. Thomas Christians revolted and resolved against accepting foreign authority. The party that sought to preserve the Church's freedom appealed to several Eastern Christian Centres for help in restoring its Episcopal succession. The Antiochene Church responded and sent to India a Bishop, Metropolitan Mar Gregorios of Jerusalem who came to India in AD 1665. The Archdeacon who had been declared in the meantime to be Metropolitan Mar Thoma by the laying on of hands by twelve Presbyters was now confirmed by him in his Episcopal rank, and both of them worked together to organize the church on firm footing. Mar Thoma I was followed in succession by a series of Prelates with the same name till AD 1816 when the last of them namely Mar Thoma IX came to the scene, but was soon replaced by Mar Dionysius II.

Later in the 19th century, exposure to the doctrines of the Anglican Church inspired a reform movement led by Abraham Malpan. This was largely unsuccessful and ended in schism with the reformers founding the Mar Thoma Church.

In AD 1912, the Catholicate of the East was revived in India with the co-operation of Mar Abdul Messiah, the deposed Patriarch of Antioch, Mar Dionysius VI, the Metropolitan of the Indian Church, and the Bishops of the Church. The ceremony was held at St. Mary's Church, Niranam on 15 September 1912. The universal Syriac Orthodox Church did not accept this consecration as valid which is the historical root of the present schism in the Malankara church.

Despite several schisms, the Indian Orthodox Church remains a stronghold of Oriental Orthodoxy in The Subcontinent.

[Captain Drunk]

What's the difference between the Orthodox Syrian Church and the Syrian Catholic Church? Does anyone know this, because I've never been able to find out?

[Captain Drunk]

Oh by the way, Merry Orthodox X'mas and a Happy New Year 2006 to everyone here.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

What's the difference between the Orthodox Syrian Church and the Syrian Catholic Church? Does anyone know this, because I've never been able to find out?

The Syrian Christian Church is allied to Rome.

Syrian Orthodox is an independent Church.

They were the same till 1600s, but separated when two opposing candidates for the top post fell apart.

[lemontree]

Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

What's the difference between the Orthodox Syrian Church and the Syrian Catholic Church? Does anyone know this, because I've never been able to find out?

Apart from what Brig. Ray sir explained, the Orthodox Syrian Christians claim connection to the apostle St. Thomas and hence do not accept the Pope as the head of the church.