Racists Win a Rare Victory

**Leader** · 16 Oct 05,, 09:06

When racists come to your neighborhood dressed in silly costumes and march down the street, what should you do:

a) Point and laugh at the fools

b) Try your best to prove that you are sub-human morons by rioting through your own neighborhood and sitting things on fire.

Well some of residents of Toledo, Ohio choose "b" today, and I'd like to congratulated them for giving the racists a rare victory.

Violence at Ohio Neo-Nazi March

Saturday, October 15, 2005

TOLEDO, Ohio — A crowd protesting a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.

When Mayor Jack Ford (search) and a local minister tried to calm the rioting, they were cursed for allowing the march, and Ford said a masked gang member threatened to shoot him.

At least 65 people were arrested and several police officers were injured before calm was restored about four hours later.

Ford blamed the rioting on gangs taking advantage of a volatile situation. He declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol for help.

"It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, which was canceled because of the rioting.

At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement (search), which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," had gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.

The violence broke out about one-quarter of a mile away along the planned march route shortly before it was to begin. One group of men pounded on a convenience store, and others overturned vehicles. There was a report of a shooting but police hadn't found a victim, Police Chief Mike Navarre said.

About 150 police officers chased bands of young men through the area. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, but the groups continued throwing rocks and bottles. Several officers and firefighters suffered minor injuries, Navarre said. At one point, the crowd reached 600 people, officials said.

Finally, police marched shoulder-to-shoulder down the street shouting to people to stay inside, and the crowd of several hundred broke up.

At least 65 people were arrested on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police and failure to disperse, Navarre said. He said the white supremacists had left hours earlier.

"We frankly could have made a couple hundred arrests easily," Navarre said. "We just didn't have the resources on hand to arrest all of them."

The mayor had appealed to residents the night before to ignore the march. He said the city wouldn't give the Nazi (search) group a permit to march in the streets but couldn't stop them from walking on the sidewalks.

When the rioting began, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that." He said people in the crowd swore at him and wanted to know why he was protecting the Nazis.

Because in America, their ideas can get an airing like any others. It's that airing that shows them to be false. The racists won today precisely because they were denied the right to bring those ideas into the public light.

They were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way," Ford said.

"I was chagrined that there were obvious mothers and children in the crowd with them," he said.

Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.

"A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they're jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off," he said.

Louis Ratajski, 86, and his nephew, Terry Rybczynski, left Jim & Lou's Bar as a crowd gathered in front pelting police with rocks and breaking the windows. They climbed down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and only later saw the fire on television.

"I was shaking. I feared for my life." Rybczynski said.

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.

"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.

[For people to act civilized. That was too much to ask obviously]

A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement blamed police for losing control of the situation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172379,00.html

**~~giggs88~~** · 16 Oct 05,, 21:33

Should I say it?....

I'm with the neo-nazis on this one. From what I've seen on tv, they were PROTESTING peacefully the harrasment of whites by blacks in that area. It wasn't to get things heated up.

If I had it my way, I would have peppered that area with machine-gun fire. All degenerates like that don't deserve to live.

**ChrisF202** · 16 Oct 05,, 22:10

While I dont agree with the KKK wannabees I do belive that the actions of the mostly (if not all) Black mob gave the racists more ammo to use in their messages now people will take a look and say "gee the KKK is right; these Blacks really are animals" and so forth. Acting like lunatics isent going to solve anything.

**sparten** · 17 Oct 05,, 11:42

Could'nt the police have attempted to keep the two groups seperate?

When racists come to your neighborhood dressed in silly costumes and march down the street, what should you do:

a) Point and laugh at the fools

b) Try your best to prove that you are sub-human morons by rioting through your own neighborhood and sitting things on fire.

Well some of residents of Toledo, Ohio choose "b" today, and I'd like to congratulated them for giving the racists a rare victory.

Well Leader, as you know the first rule of human relations is that "People are even stupider than you think."

**Leader** · 17 Oct 05,, 19:43

"Could'nt the police have attempted to keep the two groups seperate?"

Actually they did. The racists left the area pretty early on in this too. There was never any confrontation between the groups.

**Ray** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:13

What should I say?

I should say:

Heil Feuhrer (Leader)!

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:28

The nazi group could have come in and done their little march and went home without incident. Not saying I agree with them, but what is the point of destroying your own town? What ever happened to staying silent to prove who the better person is?

If I am driving down the road and someone cuts me off, I am not going to go run them down yelling & screaming and then go home and destroy my own home to prove that I did not agree with them. I am going to wait for the person to get out of my way, get over it and go on.

**Ray** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:37

And what if they shoot you in the interim?

I sure you miss a friend!

But I assure you I shall go on a jihad for that!

No one touches my firiend, even if it be on the hollwo cyber internet.

I count on them as my friends for life!

**gilgamesh** · 17 Oct 05,, 22:33

Originally Posted by Ray

What should I say?

I should say:

Heil Feuhrer (Leader)!

When I was a new arrival to Canada I saw a long motorcade of white militia(unbeknownest to me) from States pass by my bus stop. A little girl next to me began waving at them. I waved at them as well, thinking it was a polite thing to do.

I swear, they(militia) looked quite puzzled and confused as to what to make out of it.

**leib10** · 18 Oct 05,, 04:06

I hate neo-Nazis, but I see absolutely no problem with them if they are demonstrating in a peaceful manner (given their mostly militant nature, this is a rarity).